holy shit I feel like everyone on this thread owes me some beer for reading this crap.
RC.com, we have arrived!
one observation here- its a choss pile in a shitty location, the land all around it torn up and trashed by miners, not a "nature" trail for miles, most of the posters have never been there and this is the hottest thread going... RC.com BABY!!!
T Roper From DC,VA,NM,UT,CT,MA Joined Mar 31, 2006 730 points
I don't know, care to share anymore of the blind delusions that gets crags closed permanently?
P.S. And With regard to Rifle, that's exactly the problem when folks display poor judgment at a crag (on routes like Sprayathon and Cryptic Egyption and especially when done by name climbers) - that bad judgment then spreads to other crags, each time citing the previous example as justification and rationale for yet another occasion for the very same bad judgment call - it's like a disease.
If you ignore Tonto's attempts to hijack the thread, the summary is simple. Most people on this post prefer routes to be developed with minimal amounts of glue if any. That is not radical or controversial. Most also feel public lands, specifically climbing areas are not the property of the first people with enough time to develop the routes but are a communal property and that development should follow local ethics. While the value of a mountain project thread is questionable, the consensus on this issue is not. Glue should not be a tool of development. If the crag requires buckets of glue, clean it and hope for some good rock or move on. See page 77 of Cathedral and Whitehorse Ledges buy Jerry Handren for more information. Oh, and Jeremy thanks for the offer to buy everyone a beer.