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Another BD recall: Index Ascenders, Camalot C4's, Camalot Ultralights
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Apr 13, 2016
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Via Ferrata sets too.

More unfinished rivets. Disappointing.. especially the Ultralights, which have barely hit the market.


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Camalot Ultralight recall defect


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Index Ascender recall defect
gavinsmith
From Toronto, Ontario
Joined Feb 23, 2014
87 points
Apr 13, 2016
you seriously cant make this shiet up ...

cant blame china folks ... seems they have better QC back there, there were no recalls i remember of on the old chinese made camalots

ALL the recalled products in this and the last batch are made in salt lake

thats QC issues across multiple hard and soft good product lines ... i count 9 distinct QC issues in this and the last recall, many of whom have no interrelation beyond a comprehensive QC inspection failure

the via ferratta issue is exceptionally serious ... how can one NOT have stiching???



;)
bearbreeder
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Apr 13, 2016
thanks for posting Jonathan Awerbuch
From Boulder, Colorado
Joined Nov 11, 2013
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Apr 13, 2016
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We're all gonna die. Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Joined Jul 30, 2011
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Apr 13, 2016
Wonder how all of these recalls are affecting their finances. Thomas H
Joined Dec 5, 2012
11 points
Apr 13, 2016
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bearbreeder wrote:
cant blame china folks ... seems they have better QC back there...


I was thinking the same thing.
Seth Jones
Joined Feb 17, 2015
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Apr 13, 2016
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Yikes! Good thing I just finished my rack with old Camalots during the inventory clearing sales...

Go home, Black Diamond. You're drunk.
Ted Pinson
From Chicago, IL
Joined Jul 11, 2014
178 points
Apr 13, 2016
Thomas H wrote:
Wonder how all of these recalls are affecting their finances.


They are a publicly traded company so this information is available.
Brendan Magee
From Parker, CO
Joined Jun 14, 2013
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Apr 13, 2016
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Thomas H wrote:
Wonder how all of these recalls are affecting their finances.


Well here's their 5 yr stock chart... Hasn't been pretty for them recently.

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BDE Stock


From what I understand, the returns weren't there for new mgmt, then they decided to see if they could sell the firm, failed to close a deal (ie get a good bid) and stock price collapsed.
Morgan Patterson
Joined Oct 13, 2009
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Apr 13, 2016
Ted Pinson wrote:
Go home, Black Diamond. You're drunk.


Or their factory workers are spending too many weekends in Colorado.
Gunkiemike
Joined Jul 29, 2009
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Apr 13, 2016
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Gunkiemike wrote:
Or their factory workers are spending too many weekends in Colorado.


Years ago I met a guy who claimed to have worked graveyard shifts manufacturing carabiners for BD. He said he'd regularly drop acid and then just bust out hundreds of carabiners.
Finn the Human
From The Land of Ooo
Joined Jul 11, 2008
143 points
Apr 13, 2016
A few years ago I had a BD harness and the waist buckles completely corroded (started turning to dust in my fingers) after approx. one year in a humid environment. I thought, "Heck, cheap metal corrodes in the jungle. Duh. Time to get a different brand harness." I got a Petzl harness and used it in the same environment for another two years. Threes year later I still have the harness and it is still in good shape.
Now with all the BD recall issues I'm not sure that it was simply a matter of not using corrosive resistant metals on their buckles but a general lack of integrity and diligence when it comes to materials sourcing and QC.
I think BD has finally lost my business...
simplyput
Joined Nov 30, 2013
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Apr 13, 2016
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Sitting at work, anxious to get home and examine my precious cams :/ Johnathan C
From Missouri
Joined Mar 14, 2016
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Apr 13, 2016
Wow! BD is really shitting the bed on quality control lately! PaulMudd
From Las Vegas, NV
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Apr 13, 2016
Michael.P wrote:
This recall concerns all sizes of Camalots™ (.3 to 6) produced between May 18, 2015 and March 9, 2016 What changed in May and March that they can be sure the affected hardware is all within this range?


they brought back production to salt lake, USA

;)
bearbreeder
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Apr 13, 2016
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I have zero sympathy for BD's financial situation.... DMM and Metolius have won my cam loyalty completely, the pricing of the Ultralight C4 is just absurd to the extent that I'm taking my business elsewhere. The Blueprint Part Dank
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Apr 13, 2016
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To put your mind at ease a little bit:

I met someone who works at BD. Regarding the recall about the carabiner gates, this person told me that they found ONE carabiner that didn't meet specs, and because their policy is "one is too many" they issued that recall. And over a month after the recall, they had not found a single other carabiner with the same problem. At least that's what I was told
Miguel D
From Salt Lake City, UT
Joined May 15, 2014
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Apr 13, 2016
Michael.P wrote:
This recall concerns all sizes of Camalots™ (.3 to 6) produced between May 18, 2015 and March 9, 2016 What changed in May and March that they can be sure the affected hardware is all within this range?



Not sure how the quality control works but it sounds like they have only discovered 1 cam during that entire period that was not riveted properly so I guess they are assuming that ANY cam during that particular run could be defective.

They probably started drug testing in March which is assurance it hasnt happened since then.
jason.cre
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Apr 13, 2016
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PaulMudd wrote:
Wow! BD is really shitting the bed on quality control lately!


Maybe why they're advertising an opening for a new director of quality.
TKrosbakken
From Duluth, MN
Joined Nov 21, 2008
260 points
Apr 13, 2016
Miguel D wrote:
To put your mind at ease a little bit: I met someone who works at BD. Regarding the recall about the carabiner gates, this person told me that they found ONE carabiner that didn't meet specs, and because their policy is "one is too many" they issued that recall. And over a month after the recall, they had not found a single other carabiner with the same problem. At least that's what I was told

Looks like the same issue for the cams. One total.
jason.cre
Joined Aug 6, 2014
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Apr 13, 2016
As an example, tens of thousands of Camalots™ have been produced in our Salt Lake City factory since repatriation, and we have found only one unit that did not meet our critical quality requirements.


Only one out of ten thousand. I think we'll be fine.
Jeffrey L
From Ramsey, NJ
Joined Mar 31, 2015
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Apr 13, 2016
Miguel D wrote:
To put your mind at ease a little bit: I met someone who works at BD. Regarding the recall about the carabiner gates, this person told me that they found ONE carabiner that didn't meet specs, and because their policy is "one is too many" they issued that recall. And over a month after the recall, they had not found a single other carabiner with the same problem. At least that's what I was told


and yet theres recalls across multiple product lines, soft and hard goods

and the carabiners had 6 distinctive inspection failures across different products in the last recall


- wire not riveted correctly

- poor tension on gate

- locking sleeve oriented wrong way

- wrong number of stopper wrings on lock

- locking sleeve wont capture nose fully

- runner splice

add in for the current recall

- not riveted on cams

- not riveted on ascenders

- no stitching on via ferrata lanyard

its more than a "single carabiner"

Jeffrey L wrote:
Only one out of ten thousand. I think we'll be fine.


it only takes one unstitched via ferrata lanyard for someone to die ...

i love how folks are making excuses for QC failures across MULTIPLE product lines ...

;)
bearbreeder
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Apr 13, 2016
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Ya they only found one, but as bearbreader has pointed out 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 = 9. And 9 quality escapes in less than a year is unexusable for a life dependent product. TKrosbakken
From Duluth, MN
Joined Nov 21, 2008
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Apr 13, 2016
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I would encourage people to read the statement on BD's website too.


blackdiamondequipment.com/en/s...


"Voluntary recall for inspection of Easy Rider and Iron Cruiser Via Ferrata lanyard sets, Index Ascenders, Camalots™ and Camalot™ Ultralights

We are a company of climbers. For more than 25 years, manufacturing climbing equipment has been the centerpiece of our company and an expression of our mission to build innovative product of exceptional quality for our global community of users.

In 2014, we began the process of repatriating our manufacturing to Salt Lake City, Utah from Zhuhai, China. We are proud to bring our manufacturing operations back to the United States. We did this to fulfill our ongoing mission: to design, engineer and build world-class climbing equipment.

We recently uncovered quality issues with a very low percentage of our carabiners manufactured in the United States. For Black Diamond, this is unacceptable. As a result, we initiated a comprehensive quality audit of our manufacturing operations.

Today, we are issuing a voluntary recall for inspection of Easy Rider and Iron Cruiser Via Ferrata lanyard sets, Index Ascenders, Camalots™ and Camalot™ Ultralights. This is in addition to previously announced recalls of select carabiners and nylon runners.

The number of affected units found is extremely small and no incidents or injuries have been reported. As an example, tens of thousands of Camalots™ have been produced in our Salt Lake City factory since repatriation, and we have found only one unit that did not meet our critical quality requirements. Nonetheless, our legacy of excellence and commitment to the climbing community compels us to take extraordinary measures to ensure products in the field meet all necessary safety requirements.

As a company of climbers, we know the paramount importance of trusting your equipment. We are proactively mobilizing our entire global organization to ensure the quality of our product. You can expect that we will do this with rigor, honesty and transparency.

If you or anyone you know use the Black Diamond products mentioned, please follow the self-inspection and recall procedures outlined in the links below:"
Kyle Goupil
From SLC, UT
Joined Sep 16, 2012
299 points
Apr 13, 2016
Miguel D wrote:
To put your mind at ease a little bit: I met someone who works at BD. Regarding the recall about the carabiner gates, this person told me that they found ONE carabiner that didn't meet specs, and because their policy is "one is too many" they issued that recall. And over a month after the recall, they had not found a single other carabiner with the same problem. At least that's what I was told

I have 15 Oz biners that were recalled. Luckily, none of them have the defect.
Jim Turner
From Denver, CO
Joined Jun 24, 2012
275 points
Apr 13, 2016
They did the right thing...Even if they only found one. gunter
Joined Mar 2, 2011
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