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YDS: 5.11b French: 6c Ewbanks: 23 UIAA: VIII- ZA: 23 British: E3 5c

Type:  Trad, 3 pitches, 220'
Original:  YDS: 5.11b French: 6c Ewbanks: 23 UIAA: VIII- ZA: 23 British: E3 5c [details]
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Submitted By: derekpearson Pearson on Apr 24, 2015

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The crux is currently P2. P4 and P5 are in project form and not open. This would get three starts but is dirty because cleaning above , but climbable. The traverse right on p3 is the crux for that pitch , about 5.10b. P2 the splitter face crack is the crux of the route. A hidden hold gets you to a jug . Might feel hard for onsight but afterwards it will feel soft .


The route is about 90' left of B2B Biscuts starts in a corner still a little dirty but doable, p2 and p3 are worth it.


Single rack to #3 bd, metolious 0-1, 1-2. The #3 is only used on P1. I use blue 1 metolious cams at the start of the face crack. Chain belays. 60m gets you down three raps , tie knots!

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Rock Climbing Photo: Start to P3
BETA PHOTO: Start to P3
Rock Climbing Photo: Red lines p1-3 green p2
BETA PHOTO: Red lines p1-3 green p2

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By derekpearson Pearson
Apr 28, 2015

I saw evidence of an ascent.
By JRanish
May 25, 2015

P2 and 3 have excellent climbing. We did some cleaning. Quickly becoming 3 stars
By derekpearson Pearson
May 26, 2015

Sweet! I'm stoked , p1 is not to bad even when dirty . The wide section is fun and pretty clean.
By Jessica T
From: seattle, wa
Mar 19, 2016

Thanks for the work on this and the pedestal. looking forward to the completion on pitch 4 and on!
By geoff georges
From: Seattle, Wa.
Mar 21, 2016
rating: 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c

the top of pitch 2 anchor took a hit, 1 hanger still usable but flattened over.
We will be doing this again, needs more traffic.
By derekpearson Pearson
Mar 21, 2016

I wanted to fix that before I left but wasn't able to manage the time. Whoever does it I will buy all the beer and food to celebrate the fix when I return in a year. Pitch 3 could use a bolt as well for the finishing traverse moves.

I can't wait to get back and finish it. Pitch four is an open project that I bolted. To the right of p4 I started cleaning something easier.

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