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Aikido Gun Boy 

YDS: 5.11+ French: 7a Ewbanks: 24 UIAA: VIII ZA: 24 British: E4 6a R

Type:  Trad, 1 pitch, 70'
Original:  YDS: 5.11+ French: 7a Ewbanks: 24 UIAA: VIII ZA: 24 British: E4 6a R [details]
FA: Van Betten, Harrison, Meyers, Mamusia, 91
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Submitted By: John Wilder on Sep 25, 2009

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RAIN AND WET ROCK The sandstone in Red Rocks is fragile and is very easily damaged when it is wet. MORE INFO >>>


This thin, bold, andimpressive route lies just to the right of Chicken Eruptus and starts with a cool boulder problem up to a blocky section before delicate climbing is required to reach the first bolt. From there, its game on past three more bolts and some thin gear to a good ledge.

It seems some holds have broken and become smaller on this route in recent years- the route feels solid 5.12 now, with the moves going to the second bolt having gotten substantially harder. It would be wise, I think, to relegate this route to TR only for all but the strongest and boldest climbers out there.

Note: Gaining the second bolt will require the leader to be extremely bold and be willing to climb hard 5.11 above marginal, micro protection which, if it fails, will likely result in a groundfall from above 40'. This route is extremely dangerous.

Note: This route can be TR'd if you bail right at the break on Chicken. Bring 2 #3 Camalots and a nut for the anchor.


Start about 25' right of Ragged Edges, look for a bolt about 10-12' up on a white face, this is the route.


Thin gear- small and micro cams, nuts, plus four bolts. (2) #3 C4s or equivalent for the anchor.

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By chad umbel
Sep 26, 2009

I think a good rule of thumb for this site should be only post a route if you've actually climbed it. From the ground up. At least on dangerous routes. This way when someone reads about it on this site and decides that he or she would like to climb it, they have substantial and honest route information and don't get themselves hurt. Aikido Gun boy is more like solid 12a old school power face climbing. And that's if it even goes the same way it did when these hardmen put it up. Personally I think that quite a few key holds in between the first and second bolt have snapped. Also, for the rack, you don't want a bunch of extra gack to tote up this rig so leave yourself a #3 and #2 Camalot for the anchor cuz anything smaller won't be solid. A handfull of aliens up to yellow + #'s 4,5,6 HB Offset for the climbing. As for the PG-13, it's full on R. If you blow clipping the first bolt and your gear holds, you'll be lucky if you just break your ankles on the low angle terrain you pawed up to get there.
By Darren in Vegas
From: Las Vegas, NV
Sep 27, 2009

In my opinion, I like the old school 11+ rating. However, it is noticeably harder than Spring Break, in Icebox. Chad is right getting to the first of the high bolts on this route is heady, and I protected it with a 000 BD C3, which looks really good, but on sandstone, I wouldn't want to find out the hard way if it worked or not.
By Manjushri
Nov 18, 2009

I'm not one to give much detailed info, but on this route the pieces pre-second bolt (there's a low bolt as well) are crucial to avoid proving your mortality in the event of a fall:

You can get an HB brassie in there with the 000, which, as Darren suggests with the bd tcu, you will also not want to test.
By Pitty
From: Marbach
Apr 27, 2011
rating: 5.11+ 7a 24 VIII 24 E4 6a X

I almost dyed in this route - psychical did..... The first bolt is easy to clip with a side layback on good holds, but to reach the second bolt, you risk a death fall. The crux is reaching the second bolt and it is around 20 - to 25 feet upon the first bold but only 40 feet above ground.....
Once you reached and clipped the second bolt you have it, some more fine holds.....
For me: not to be climbed, absolutely dangerous!
By Josh Janes
General Admin
May 4, 2014

Due to the warnings in the route description I inspected this route on rappel - what I found was plenty of great gear and I had no qualms about pulling my rope and trying it on lead immediately. The 000 C3 seemed as good as such a piece can be, but regardless there is other solid gear just below and even off to the side if you really want it. Just wanted to provide another opinion.

However, I could not find a 5.11 way to climb it: the bolts make it a contrived 5.12 (broken holds?). The opening sequence is wonderful though.
By Darren in Vegas
From: Las Vegas, NV
Mar 17, 2016

After trying this route on TR a couple of days ago I feel pretty confident in saying that key holds are now missing. It does not go the same way it did when I climbed this back in 2009.
By Zach Alles
From: Snowmass, CO
Nov 1, 2016

Stellar Route. Fun moves, tricky but bomber pro. Ground fall if you fall after the first bolt; first pro after the first bolt was a slung chickenhead. I fell on a small dmm 3 peanut going to the second bolt which seemed pretty bomber. Definitely harder than 11+ immediately after the second bolt but really its only one or two moves to get back to 5.11 climbing. I pulled on a draw to get back on route to superb movement up top. I'd rate it 5.11+ A0 R or minimally solid 5.12 free or harder. I suck at climbing so who knows. The moves up top definitely justify the scary lower section. Would highly recommend the lead. Just don't fuck it up. (offsets and aliens were helpful) Happy Halloween!

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