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YDS: 5.10- French: 6a Ewbanks: 18 UIAA: VI+ ZA: 18 British: E1 5a

Type:  Trad, 5 pitches, 400', Grade III
Original:  YDS: 5.10- French: 6a Ewbanks: 18 UIAA: VI+ ZA: 18 British: E1 5a [details]
FA: Dave Spies, Tony Bartoletti, Cody Ferguson, John Domaska
New Route: Yes
Season: Morning Sun, Afternoon Shade
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Submitted By: Dave Spies on Dec 17, 2012

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All types of climbing from fingers to fists, face to off-width, and exposed overhangs to chimney. Test every style you have in your bag of tricks. All clean pitches (rare for sedona)


Fay Canyon Butttress, Sedona, AZ See topo for details


70m rope or two 60m. Camalot or equivalent Single .4-#4 6 extendable draws.

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Rock Climbing Photo: Jim Donini following the first chimney pitch. Nice...
Jim Donini following the first chimney pitch. Nice...
Rock Climbing Photo: On the first full ascent, January 2010, I think.  ...
On the first full ascent, January 2010, I think. ...
Rock Climbing Photo: Pitch 3 Roof.
BETA PHOTO: Pitch 3 Roof.
Rock Climbing Photo: 2 Legit not to climb
BETA PHOTO: 2 Legit not to climb
Rock Climbing Photo: route from approach.  Big tan buttress/ wide crack...
BETA PHOTO: route from approach. Big tan buttress/ wide crack...
Rock Climbing Photo: view from approach.  pitch 1 corner bottom right o...
BETA PHOTO: view from approach. pitch 1 corner bottom right o...
Rock Climbing Photo: cody on pitch 3 crux
cody on pitch 3 crux
Rock Climbing Photo: pitch 2
pitch 2
Rock Climbing Photo: traverse below anchor starting pitch 3
traverse below anchor starting pitch 3
Rock Climbing Photo: looking at p2-p5, p2 Hey Hey variation out of view...
BETA PHOTO: looking at p2-p5, p2 Hey Hey variation out of view...
Rock Climbing Photo: Topo and approach
BETA PHOTO: Topo and approach

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By Dave Spies
From: Sedona, AZ
Dec 17, 2012

The FA was done ground up in 2010 and most bolts were added later.

I would like feedback on the ratings. Also could use some new paint on bolts if you have the time. Tried to camo all bolts and chains, but the paint I had sucks.

Also some fun TR variations if you have extra time. At least 9 possible pitches of climbing that make the approach totally worth it. And some ruins if you search hard enough. Please do not disturb ruins or collect artifacts.
By JimmyK
From: Flagstaff, AZ
Jan 21, 2013

Excellent, varied climb. I think the rating listed on the topo for each pitch is accurate. Pitch 2-Excellent crack/layback, P3-Awesome roof, P4-Exposed face climbing, then short off-width, P5-Fun chimney. Stay left after the P5 chimney to the top anchors. Scramble up to cool summit. Anchors are well-thought out, (the first 3 raps requiring almost all of the single 70m rope). Loose rock at the P4 tree anchor belay station. We used the hand-made topo on MP and found the start of the route with no problems in 1 hour, 15 minutes. Great winter route. With the exception of P1, we had sun all day. 3.5 stars.
By sepe
From: Flagstaff, AZ
Jan 29, 2013

This probably goes without saying, but if you've chopped your 70M at all (even one meter) you should bring two ropes. The raps are perfectly spaced for 70M, so if you're short you will be short!

Great climbing.
By Ryan Z
Feb 2, 2013
rating: 5.10- 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a

Good route for the colder days. It was in the sun all morning for us. 3rd pitch is wild! really fun. The topo says double rack. But singles of .3-3 and a set of nuts is really all you need.
By Catherine Conner
From: Phoenix, AZ
Nov 11, 2013
rating: 5.10a/b 6a+ 19 VI+ 19 E2 5b

So freakin' great, I'd give it a classic status, amazing, beautiful, backcountry, and encompasses everything you could want out of a climb!!!! Great route, I'm so happy it exists, this will be a highlight of my year, good job guys on the F.A. of this :-) :-) !!!!

Dave, I met you in the Grand Canyon on the day of the government shutdown, I was going in to canyoneer Garden Creek with some friends ~ you told me about this route and that it was good, THANK YOU (you were right)!!!!!!!
By Nick Dolhyj 1
From: Flagstaff, AZ
Apr 2, 2015

any gear beta for the pitch 2 variation?
By Wendel
From: Scottsdale, AZ
Apr 21, 2015
rating: 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a R

The approach is no fun at all. Not exceptionally strenuous but a lot of bushwacking, prickly pear galore, and bees. Towards the end I'm sure we got off whatever the original route was, the first pitch was too overgrown to bother with- that and the approach took over 2 hours. The more direct ways of getting there were impassible with overgrowth. So lots of loose rock scrambles, a few unprotected 20ft climbs with packs on, and prickers in your legs, didn't make for the best start of the day. The views were nice though.

P1- bypassed- overgrown
P2- 5.9 but pretty pumpy. Mostly lie back.
P3- 5.9d/10a A bolt would be nice as soon as you step down onto the ledge. Less important for leader, as you can clip the rope in a directional off the anchor, but seconding if you slip you're taking a big swing, and it may not be so easy to traverse back over to the chimney. That being said, the ledge is easy. The chimney was fun, and getting over the ceiling is cool.
P4- 10a Not a bad face climb with crimps and flakes. Definitely should add a bolt right around the corner. The first bolt is not hard to get to, but it's definitely an R/X rated fall if you mess up before that- and considering I pulled a right hand flake clean off the move after clipping, it's possible.
P5- bypassed, ran out of daylight. If rappelling, rappel off far side. Not a clean rope pull the other way.

Not terribly upset about the whole day. Nothing very dynamic. The chimney was by far the best part. It's an experience, but I'll definitely never go back. No one in the party loved it.
By Eva Christ
Nov 2, 2015

Really liked your route! For Sedona standards it is good rock. Thoughtful save belay stations, old schoolers would not like a bolted offwidth-squeeze, I liked the bolts there :-)). The chimney-maze pitch gets four stars, so funny, smile your way up! Yes, and if you do not like hiking, it is not for you. Love the wild approaches here, worth the awesome views and there is far worse bushwhacking out here than this!
By Dave Spies
From: Sedona, AZ
Mar 6, 2016

Pitch 2 Gear Beta = Single rack .3-#3 bd should do. Double #.5,.75.1 would be nice too.
By Derek Field
From: Flagstaff, AZ
Sep 6, 2016
rating: 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b

Awesome adventure, kudos to the FA team for the vision! Reminiscent of the Scenic Cruise in that it's a proud, varied line on a tall white Coconino buttress. This one's certainly a greater challenge, although not quite as clean yet.

Approach: Expect over an hour, especially for the first time. No issues after leaving the main tourist trail provided you follow the wash that climbs directly to the base of the dark patina wall and don't try to turn off before then.
P1: Nice clean 5.8 layback, definitely not overgrown, I see no reason to skip it.
P2: Really enjoyable and sustained 5.9 crack.
P3: Never have I encountered a pitch quite like this - so much action in only 60 feet! Downclimb to crimp-rail traverse to runout chimney to squeeze to wild acrobatic offwidth roof. Crux is super intimidating but thankfully quite featured. Protected with bolts too.
P4: The climbing is mostly fun 5.10- face and the initial "runout" is totally mellow, just a 15-foot walking traverse and 2 or 3 edge-pulls on vertical 5.7 to reach safety. Careful with the crimps higher up on this pitch. Short offwidth problem below anchor tree can be tricky; set directionals for follower.
P5: Best done simul-fashion, as it resembles blocky 4th-class alpine.

Gear: Single rack to BD #3, really there's no need for big stuff, all the wide sections have bolts anyway. I imagine extras of thin to medium pro would make P2 slightly more comfortable.
By Bill Lundeen
From: Lee Vining, CA
Nov 11, 2016
rating: 5.10- 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a

One of the best lines in Sedona! Hats off to Dave for an amazing route on clean Sedona Coconino. Fairly easy, very straightforward approach. Took us 1 hr. 10 min. in and a leisurely 1 hr. out. (STAY IN THE WASH ALL THE WAY TO THE BLACK PATINA WALL!).

Felt like the 10- grade is right on. Crux for us, though, was the short O/W with the bad bolt at the end of pitch 4. A #5 Camalot would protect it well. The bolt just before it is also quite loose.

Gear recommendations were good; probably could get by with singles to 4, but the #4 Camalot is a good call. We used it on every pitch but the first, and usually placed it as the first piece as well.

The views and location rival the Scenic Cruise for sure!
By Tyler Williams
From: Flagstaff, AZ
Nov 26, 2016
rating: 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a

Great route! I have to re emphasize the approach beta. Stay in the wash all the way to the back wall. It's like bilbo in mirkwood - there are plausible tempting paths to lead you astray, but don't be fooled by the vortex elves - stay in the wash!

Approach took us about 1.5 hours with a misguided adventure through some 5.10 bushwhacking. Way down was pleasant, about 1 hour.

Chimney crux felt about 5.8 or 5.9 technically, but probably deserves its 10- rating based on intimidation factor

I highly recommend giving the Hey Hey variation a go on TR on the way down - beautiful pitch.

Doubles seemed a little overkill but was nice to have the 4.

Good work FA team!

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