Watch out for scams!

Mark E Dixon wrote:

Aren’t you the same guy who took a couple of months to send a buyer some gear (cams?) a few years ago?

And bragged about weaseling out of your student loans?

And now pushing a performance drug that was withdrawn from market by GSK because it caused cancer?

1) No

2) No

3) No

If you're gonna try to throw shit at least make it stick bro ;)

But I take it you have a giant dildo sticking up your asshole. So it doesn't really matter what I say because your response will be something pathetic and inflammatory.

DrApnea wrote:

Sorry about your loss and this jerk ripping you off.  

In reply to the other comments on this thread...

Why not just use PayPal like it was intended? 3% is not inflating the price that much. $3 on a $100. That is about $1 per used cam. I know I have done many different ways in the past (covered fees myself, asked the buyer to, or just left it open to their choice without ever asking), and now don't think it is worth it to negate your buyer and seller protection for $1/cam.

I think all sellers on MP should just list a price and take PayPal goods and services payment.  If you don't want to lose $1/ cam then inflate your price from $35 to $36 per cam or sell locally in cash (but you probably will give up over $1/cam in lost cost of gas and time to meet locally).

Just my 2.03 cents. (2 cents if paying with PayPal Friends And Family).

In all my years of buying sporting equipment online, I have always paid F&F to save the seller some cake, whether they asked or not. Assuming no one in the world is an asshole (which I stupidly did until now), "paying for goods" is nothing more than a 3% donation to a multibillion$ corporation.

Now I am 100% in agreement with you about the goods and services payment, on both sides.

And before it goes forgotten: a genuine thank you everyone else I've bought from so far and came through!

5.samadhi wrote:

Anyways, why give money to Paypal? We're climbers, aren't we by nature known to circumvent the norms of society and bend the rules to benefit ourselves? Free thinkers and all that :)

3% is nothing if you get scammed just ONCE out of 33 purchases and get your money refunded by PP.

Maybe MP should have same rule as other forums do. You can't post in for sale thread without a minimum post count and or days since signing up. Not saying it would work 100%, but would probably help a little. 

Maybe an eBay type seller rating that gets out right next to there profile on both app and website so you know if you're buying from a legit person, or a brand new guy and might wanna take the time to search their posts, pay the 3% fee, etc....

I'm no computer person, know nothing about code, but can't be to hard to out something like that into MP could it?

Ice4life wrote:

Maybe MP should have same rule as other forums do. You can't post in for sale thread without a minimum post count and or days since signing up. Not saying it would work 100%, but would probably help a little. 

Maybe an eBay type seller rating that gets out right next to there profile on both app and website so you know if you're buying from a legit person, or a brand new guy and might wanna take the time to search their posts, pay the 3% fee, etc....

I'm no computer person, know nothing about code, but can't be to hard to out something like that into MP could it?

I’ve seen some forums have the seller rating sort of thing. I doubt it’s a trivial addition, and seeing that this forum is a free service, maybe we just need to ask really really nicely haha 

As for sellers having to have a minimum post count, I’ve see them on other forums too, but it just ends up reducing the number of items for sale. I think there tends to be a lot of stealth folks on forums who read a lot and only post for buying and selling. (I do that on Cascade Climbers.) A good rule of thumb when buying from a new member is just to pay the 3%, or maybe negotiate it in with the seller. 

A truly solid rating system is complex to implement and maintain  even those that do have a reselling issue where people will buy known good identities to take ownership of to do future business. I've seen all types of I'll buy your active eBay account if it has good rep and certain amount of use time  

Some external companies like this one attempt to provide a digital reputation that users can carry across multiple sites. 

https://tokenoftrust.com/

5.samadhi wrote:

Anyways, why give money to Paypal? We're climbers, aren't we by nature known to circumvent the norms of society and bend the rules to benefit ourselves? Free thinkers and all that :)

$10K /year...  That is a lot of used gear...  What are you selling?   And you aren't given money to paypal... You are paying for a service (getting your money back in case you get ripped off)...

5.samadhi wrote:

1) No

2) No

3) No

If you're gonna try to throw shit at least make it stick bro ;)

Maybe it was a different guy. 

It’s sort of too bad because he was an interesting character. 

He got a lot of grief about the gear, but iirc everything got straightened out in the end. 

I hectored him about the loans, but he was straightforward about it and made his case pretty well. I still disagreed but had to respect that. 

As for the cardarine, I think it’s making you ornery ;-)

What I don’t understand is why, if you are going to use PEDs, you don’t just use anabolics? They’ve been around for 60 years and the risks and benefits are much better understood than some new mystery agent. 

Mark E Dixon wrote:

Maybe it was a different guy. 

It’s sort of too bad because he was an interesting character. 

He got a lot of grief about the gear, but iirc everything got straightened out in the end. 

I hectored him about the loans, but he was straightforward about it and made his case pretty well. I still disagreed but had to respect that. 

As for the cardarine, I think it’s making you ornery ;-)

What I don’t understand is why, if you are going to use PEDs, you don’t just use anabolics? They’ve been around for 60 years and the risks and benefits are much better understood than some new mystery agent. 

You seem to be putting an incredible amount of thought into my life. Not to hijack the thread (they seem to be doing fine with our side conversation running anyway) but isn't it a little weird.

You must be the life of the party! ;)

Worst part of getting older is the need for longer recovery periods. 

I miss the time when I could climb day after day. 

Kept me safely away from MP.

FWIW, back to the OP-

I seem to recall there’s a scam the buyer can pull using f/f that leaves the seller out his/her gear and no money.

So I always just pay the fee or work it out with the counter party.

Mark E Dixon wrote:

I seem to recall there’s a scam the buyer can pull using f/f that leaves the seller out his/her gear and no money.

So I always just pay the fee or work it out with the counter party.

Buyer-end scams are easy: send $ via PP Goods&Services, claim you never got the gear, bitch to PP, get $ back.  Lesson - sellers: always track your shipments.

I have sold things using F&F in the past, but I don't anymore...if the buyer pays with standard paypal and you use paypal to ship via USPS, the shipping is cheaper and a lot easier so that pretty much offsets the 3% fees, and you still have protection. 

climbskihike wrote:

I have sold things using F&F in the past, but I don't anymore...if the buyer pays with standard paypal and you use paypal to ship via USPS, the shipping is cheaper and a lot easier so that pretty much offsets the 3% fees, and you still have protection. 

This.

5.samadhi wrote:

1) No

2) No

3) No

If you're gonna try to throw shit at least make it stick bro ;)

I'm disappointed.

Turns out you are the same guy, but apparently not willing to stand up for your previous comments/actions.

1)  https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/108809541/bash-me-here

2)  https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/108620667/poor-college-student-workout-program

3)  https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/113507184/peds-in-climbingdrugz

Mark E Dixon wrote:

I'm disappointed.

Turns out you are the same guy, but apparently not willing to stand up for your previous comments/actions.

1)  https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/108809541/bash-me-here

2)  https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/108620667/poor-college-student-workout-program

3)  https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/113507184/peds-in-climbingdrugz

I'm happy I disappointed you.

SinRopa wrote:

No, it was the same guy.  

5.sam would apologize for not shipping the cam (green alien), would swear he shipped it for real this time, then go into radio silence mode, I’d wait a week, I’d post up a scam warning, he’d reappear, and we’d repeat the process a couple times until I actually got it.

yeah sorry about that dude I was probably too obsessed with jumping during that time period. I remember you. I actually ended up buying an alien from somebody in a parking area one afternoon because I lost the original alien somewhere.

On the upside, I actually found the original one later underneath some storage platform I built in the back of my truck among a few other things I thought lost for good so its allllllllllllllll gooooooood

5.samadhi wrote:

I'm happy I disappointed you.

I’m sure I’m just one of many. 

Perfect example how someone who is on MP for 4 years and has some contribution still a douche that noone should have business with. While I'm struggling to sell my shoes.