Thanks MP! Red Rocks approach map now available!

A while back I posted a (very) rough draft of our new map series asking for your feedback on the visual appeal, intuitiveness, and functionality. We really appreciate the input you all provided, and incorporated a lot of it into the final product.
The Climbers Map for Red Rock Canyon (aka Red Rocks - Nevada) will be ready next week and we're offering an early bird discount of 20% off for a few more days (the last day of the sale is October 20, 2017).

Here's a quick pitch:
In case you haven't heard, Climb-On Maps picks up where guidebooks and Mountain Project leave off - so this is the perfect companion! We produce extremely detailed (1:1500) approach and walk off maps of some of the largest (and often most confusing) climbing areas in the U.S. Because we walked every single trail on the maps, the trails have climber-oriented difficulty ratings, exposure locations and severity, and labeled orientation photos from the angle you will see from the trail. The maps also have crag summaries for at a glance planning and we note where walk-up accessible top rope access is. Looking for hard sport climbs? Look for dark blue and red circles. Easy trad multipitch? Look for orange and green circles with a purple multipitch table beneath it. Want to Crag hop? Easily see nearby crags, how to get there, and the types of climbs they have. The maps are waterproof and tear-proof, so grab the pages you need, toss it in your pack, and go!

The maps will be in our hands by the 27th and we will ship immediately. We can also ship to general delivery in Vegas if you're on the road, or we can hand deliver it when we pass through Vegas the weekend of the 28th.

Let me know if you have any questions. I'll have to reply this evening because we're heading out for another day of mapping in Joshua Tree (which will be released in December!!).

Cheers!
-Rick & Stefani

http://www.climbonmaps.com/buy.html

ClimbOn Maps wrote:

A while back I posted a (very) rough draft of our new map series asking for your feedback on the visual appeal, intuitiveness, and functionality. We really appreciate the input you all provided, and incorporated a lot of it into the final product.
The Climbers Map for Red Rock Canyon (aka Red Rocks - Nevada) will be ready next week and we're offering an early bird discount of 20% off for a few more days (the last day of the sale is October 20, 2017).

Here's a quick pitch:
In case you haven't heard, Climb-On Maps picks up where guidebooks and Mountain Project leave off - so this is the perfect companion! We produce extremely detailed (1:1500) approach and walk off maps of some of the largest (and often most confusing) climbing areas in the U.S. Because we walked every single trail on the maps, the trails have climber-oriented difficulty ratings, exposure locations and severity, and labeled orientation photos from the angle you will see from the trail. The maps also have crag summaries for at a glance planning and we note where walk-up accessible top rope access is. Looking for hard sport climbs? Look for dark blue and red circles. Easy trad multipitch? Look for orange and green circles with a purple multipitch table beneath it. Want to Crag hop? Easily see nearby crags, how to get there, and the types of climbs they have. The maps are waterproof and tear-proof, so grab the pages you need, toss it in your pack, and go!

The maps will be in our hands by the 27th and we will ship immediately. We can also ship to general delivery in Vegas if you're on the road, or we can hand deliver it when we pass through Vegas the weekend of the 28th.

Let me know if you have any questions. I'll have to reply this evening because we're heading out for another day of mapping in Joshua Tree (which will be released in December!!).

Cheers!
-Rick & Stefani

http://www.climbonmaps.com/buy.html

How many of the approach trails are covered for Red Rock?

Bowens,

There is a handful of approaches we didn't get: Buffalo wall, Paiute wall, Eagle wall, Mt Wilson's east walls and a few others. If you're wondering about something specific tell me which one and I'll let you know.   

Otherwise we have over 140 miles of trails on our map which doesn't include many of the hiker trails which don't lead to climbing.

We also have a lot of the walkoffs including the infamous Epinephrine / Black Velvet WO.

-Rick

ClimbOn Maps wrote:

Bowens,

There is a handful of approaches we didn't get: Buffalo wall, Paiute wall, Eagle wall, Mt Wilson's east walls and a few others. If you're wondering about something specific tell me which one and I'll let you know.   

Otherwise we have over 140 miles of trails on our map which doesn't include many of the hiker trails which don't lead to climbing.

We also have a lot of the walkoffs including the infamous Epinephrine / Black Velvet WO.

-Rick

 Pine Creek Canyon and Juniper Canyon?

Hi Bowens,

We have everything in Juniper except the last 100 feet of nasty bushwhacking up Jungle Wall's gully. We also have orientation photos for the entrance to Juniper (a braided mess) to get you up the canyon quicker or up to Wall of Cracks / Crimson Chrysalis quicker. In Pine we have everything except for the last stretch up to Crabby Appleton which is an exposed 4th/5th class traverse to get to the base.

Hope that helps!

Adam Orton wrote:

Download Garmin Earthmate-fo free and excellent topo maps. Then just do some research, drop some waypoints and boom. Go to go. Use your brain. 

$20 can save you a lot of time and support somebody who has collected it all for you and presented it in a very practical, non electronic form. Economic exchange is good.

ClimbOn Maps wrote:

We also have a lot of the walkoffs including the infamous Epinephrine / Black Velvet WO.

Oh come on where's the adventure?

JK this is awesome. I will be purchasing one for sure. I hate wandering around looking for climbs. 

Adam,

I won't disagree that Earthmate, CalTopo, US Topo, etc. are all decent resources to navigate backcountry but it is important for people to be aware that they come with several issues.  All of those resources are using topo quads with the scale 1:24,000 while our maps are 1:1,500 and include actual features (such as a specific boulder or chimney - with photo) you'll encounter on the approach. The imagery those resources use has mild to extreme distortion due to the landscape relief and satellite angle (especially in the canyons), so it is difficult to impossible to guess where walls are. Phone GPS' have bad reception in the canyons and the app location service may show you 100's of feet from where you actually are. Also, the elevation is so generalized it will be of no help to navigate through the nuances of places like the Calico terrain. Because of these issues any dropped waypoints wouldn't be much more than a general ballpark guess. Those mapping resources definitely have their utility, they are just very limited in very complicated and detailed situations like in Red Rocks and getting to a specific climbing wall.

In addition, our maps also offer features not found in the downloadable topo resources, including marking points of exposure, the exact location of the walls, how difficult it is to go a particular direction (e.g., soul crushing if you go left / easy if you go right), and at-a-glance summary data for every wall (i.e. you can quickly see if a wall has a high proportion of difficult sport climbs, or easy trad multipitch and plan your climbing day. In addition, you can easily see the relative location of multiple walls and how to get from one wall to the next.) 

We just got tired of wasting time looking for climbs and wanted to be on the wall, so we decided to create this resource. Certainly, there are lots of ways to go about doing things and it's good for people to be aware of all of the options, so we appreciate you sharing.

ClimbOn Maps wrote:

Adam,

I won't disagree that Earthmate, CalTopo, US Topo, etc. are all decent resources to navigate backcountry but it is important for people to be aware that they come with several issues.  All of those resources are using topo quads with the scale 1:24,000 while our maps are 1:1,500 and include actual features (such as a specific boulder or chimney - with photo) you'll encounter on the approach. The imagery those resources use has mild to extreme distortion due to the landscape relief and satellite angle (especially in the canyons), so it is difficult to impossible to guess where walls are. Phone GPS' have bad reception in the canyons and the app location service may show you 100's of feet from where you actually are. Also, the elevation is so generalized it will be of no help to navigate through the nuances of places like the Calico terrain. Because of these issues any dropped waypoints wouldn't be much more than a general ballpark guess. Those mapping resources definitely have their utility, they are just very limited in very complicated and detailed situations like in Red Rocks and getting to a specific climbing wall.

In addition, our maps also offer features not found in the downloadable topo resources, including marking points of exposure, the exact location of the walls, how difficult it is to go a particular direction (e.g., soul crushing if you go left / easy if you go right), and at-a-glance summary data for every wall (i.e. you can quickly see if a wall has a high proportion of difficult sport climbs, or easy trad multipitch and plan your climbing day. In addition, you can easily see the relative location of multiple walls and how to get from one wall to the next.) 

We just got tired of wasting time looking for climbs and wanted to be on the wall, so we decided to create this resource. Certainly, there are lots of ways to go about doing things and it's good for people to be aware of all of the options, so we appreciate you sharing.

I'm visiting Red Rock soon and these topos sound like a time saver.  I'll give them a try. 

Epinephrine walk off, "Infamous?!"  Interesting...

Man, I'm so glad I grew up doing alpine descents in the PNW Cascades, following dubious cairnes, faint trails, and generally following my directional instincts instead of having my nose buried in my phone. 

But I do think the maps look great. 

But  put me in downtown Seattle trying to find the closest trader Joe's, and I'm 100% reliant on Google maps.

Does it have the walk off of the Rainbow wall? (The one that heads back and around into Oak Creek Canyon)

Jplotz wrote:

But  put me in downtown Seattle trying to find the closest trader Joe's, and I'm 100% reliant on Google maps.

There's your problem, there isn't a Trader Joe's in downtown Seattle   

Chris C. wrote:

There's your problem, there isn't a Trader Joe's in downtown Seattle   

Damn you Siri!

Looks awesome!

Tim Heid wrote:

Does it have the walk off of the Rainbow wall? (The one that heads back and around into Oak Creek Canyon)

Tim,

We were not able to get the Rainbow/Oak walkoff this time around. There are two rap options noted in the Handren guide: Brown Recluse (Handren recommends an 80m rope) and the more common rap of The Original Route. 

We hope to capture that walkoff in the next edition.

I hope these maps will help me find Geronimo and Lady Luck next time, and the descent from solar slab down to the painted bowl. These are the real three reasons i'm buying. 

I will get a copy. I have a soft spot for guidebook s. Not just for their practical content, but as a form of art.

Just ordered a copy of the RR guide, looks like it will be a killer addition to the Handren guide/MP. Looking forward to checking it out!

T Bloodstone wrote:

I hope these maps will help me find Geronimo and Lady Luck next time, and the descent from solar slab down to the painted bowl. These are the real three reasons i'm buying. 

They'll definitely take you the best way to Geronimo and First Creek Slabs. We did not capture the Solar Slab walkoff this time because the standard descent is to rap the route. 

Jplotz wrote:

Epinephrine walk off, "Infamous?!"  Interesting...

Man, I'm so glad I grew up doing alpine descents in the PNW Cascades, following dubious cairnes, faint trails, and generally following my directional instincts instead of having my nose buried in my phone. 

^^ This!  Has anyone else noticed that the new generation of climbers gets lost a lot?  I think they are so used to following step-by-step directions from a navigation app that they have lost any ability to navigate by feel or have a more general idea of where to go without needing all the nitty gritty details.  I've seen this not only on approaches but also on routes.  They want to know where the next 6 ft of the route go instead of worrying about the big picture, i.e. which major features am I trying to link?  Damned phones...

ClimbOn Maps wrote:

They'll definitely take you the best way to Geronimo and First Creek Slabs. We did not capture the Solar Slab walkoff this time because the standard descent is to rap the route. 

The standard descent from Solar Slab is the raps? I suppose if you don't finish the route...