What the hell happened to climbing etiquette

I wasn't climbing in the early 2000s but I do know one thing for sure, leading by example is the best option here. Maybe some of that old school climbing etiquette will rub off. Even if it doesn't you can feel good about doing your part in cleaning up. In regard to gym climbers ruining everything, sure it sucks to wait in line for a route and it's an issue when people are being unsafe (standing in fall zones and whatnot) but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask people to reconsider their habits for safety reasons. I've asked people to move because they were causing a safety issue. Nobody goes out climbing thinking "I'm going to injure someone today."

susan peplow wrote:

And as we like to say.. "all these climbers are ruining climbing".

As others have noted, it seems people just don't know better.  I don't believe they're setting out to be dopes lacking protocol they just haven't learned otherwise.  The litter discussion should have started with Mom but in regards to climbing.... lack of mentors is a problem.

Perhaps "should have started in childhood"?

Thanks. 

Best, OLH, also known as the highly generic personage "Mom", the root source of every evil, annoying, illegal or degenerate act her child commits, no matter their age, except most of the fun ones "Mom" had to give up to raise the parasitic nuisance in the first place.

Not my own child, of course. You people. You know who you are.

There is no etiquette with anything anymore.  Driving, skiing or whatever.  I can't tell you how many times doors have been let go in my face or no thank you given when I hold the door for someone else.

Most people are just assholes.  Of course there are a few that are still decent, but most people are completely self absorbed. 

Old lady H wrote:

Perhaps "should have started in childhood"?

Thanks. 

Best, OLH, also known as the highly generic personage "Mom", the root source of every evil, annoying, illegal or degenerate act her child commits, no matter their age, except most of the fun ones "Mom" had to give up to raise the parasitic nuisance in the first place.

Not my own child, of course. You people. You know who you are.

I'm not sure what you're on about OLH but yeah...I'm proud to say as a Mom, my kid doesn't litter.  She was taught at an early age such behavior is unexceptable, just like my Mom explained to me.  Sure "childhood" would be a bit more descriptive, thanks for pointing out the semantics.  

Locker wrote:

"Most people are just assholes"

"Birds of a feather" 

Just saying...

I find it to be the exact opposite.

Yucca must be nice.  haha come hang out in the Denver metro for a little bit.  You'll be ready to move to Antarctica to get away from people. Hell just take a one day ski trip at any resort off I-70 and you'll change your tune. 

Guy Keesee wrote:

I remember going to the gunks in 1999..... 

That's nothing, I remember going climbing 20 years before that.  Think about how I feel about all the riffraff now.

susan peplow wrote:

I'm not sure what you're on about OLH but yeah...I'm proud to say as a Mom, my kid doesn't litter.  She was taught at an early age such behavior is unexceptable, just like my Mom explained to me.  Sure "childhood" would be a bit more descriptive, thanks for pointing out the semantics.  

Just gently reminding everyone of all the fine guys on here who would, hopefully, also kick a kids butt for littering. That's something I think we really learn best by the example of our whole community. Not just Mom.

At my age, 60, BITD Mom is the one who generally got the blame for how her kid was behaving. Thank God that's changed and dad's count too.

Best, OLH