microaggression? or having the overreaction?

the kosak wrote:

if you're one of the 16 year olds at my air conditioned gym who wear booty shorts and low cut tops (for functional reasons, right?) and you want my respect, cover yourself up and focus on the climbing. the same goes for the shirtless, spray-on-tanned 16 year old dudes too.

You should maybe consider the possibility that people don't care about or value your respect.

the kosak wrote:

it's interesting that the author of this article mentions Muslim women, many of whom, coincidentally, would probably find booty shorts offensive.

if I recall correctly, there was a Muslim climber from the UAE in Navi Mumbai bouldering qualifiers & semi-finals a couple of weeks ago who wore a hijab and tights on her arms and legs. I must have missed her inflammatory article about occidental people or how pissed she was that their views on skin exposure objectify women or reinforce rape culture.. probably because she was too busy being a normal person (not to mention crushing) to write something like that.

many actions will offend many people. as a general rule, i feel if you want respect, pay attention to your surroundings and give respect to those around you. as a personal anecdote, if you're one of the 16 year olds at my air conditioned gym who wear booty shorts and low cut tops (for functional reasons, right?) and you want my respect, cover yourself up and focus on the climbing. the same goes for the shirtless, spray-on-tanned 16 year old dudes too.

No.

Stephen C wrote:

You should maybe consider the possibility that people don't care about or value your respect.

Who cares if 15 year olds value your opinion and btw WTF do 15 year olds know?

HIJABS ARE BRAVE YOU SON OF A BITCH

the kosak wrote:

it's interesting that the author of this article mentions Muslim women, many of whom, coincidentally, would probably find booty shorts offensive.

if I recall correctly, there was a Muslim climber from the UAE in Navi Mumbai bouldering qualifiers & semi-finals a couple of weeks ago who wore a hijab and tights on her arms and legs. I must have missed her inflammatory article about occidental people or how pissed she was that their views on skin exposure objectify women or reinforce rape culture.. probably because she was too busy being a normal person (not to mention crushing) to write something like that.

many actions will offend many people. as a general rule, i feel if you want respect, pay attention to your surroundings and give respect to those around you. as a personal anecdote, if you're one of the 16 year olds at my air conditioned gym who wear booty shorts and low cut tops (for functional reasons, right?) and you want my respect, cover yourself up and focus on the climbing. the same goes for the shirtless, spray-on-tanned 16 year old dudes too.

You are saying that you have so little control of your eyes that teenage girls need to protect you from their bodies. Get control of yourself and I might be able to respect you, you are an adult for christsake, get some self control

I'd just like to take the time to remind everyone that all women are stunning, brave, intelligent, faithful, respectful, equally skillful in everything, and know this already so don't bother telling them this in person.

This also applies to former men, if not more so.

While I'm at it, I'd like to point out that feminists, both male and female, at no point fail to use the right side of their brains which is responsible for perspective, proportionality, and humor.

Politically Correct Ball wrote:

While I'm at it, I'd like to point out that feminists, both male and female, at no point fail to use the right side of their brains which is responsible for perspective, proportionality, and humor.

wow, now that was clever, I've never heard the joke about feminists not having a sense of humor, you think of that all by yourself? I'm impressed. I bet you won all the wit prizes 

Politically Correct Ball wrote:

This also applies to former men, if not more so.

No such thing as a former man. There are men who got things cut off but their DNA is still male.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

Sex and gender are not the same thing, and just because a person was born with a Y Chromosome does not mean they are Biologically male.

Ted Pinson wrote:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

Sex and gender are not the same thing, and just because a person was born with a Y Chromosome does not mean they are Biologically male.

Fix the disorder they are born with and they would be completely male in that case, just because they have something that is affecting the way their body should behave doesn't make them not male.

rafael wrote:

I bet you won all the wit prizes 

Yup. I'm sure you won all the snark prizes. I guess that makes us both winners!

ViperScale wrote:

Fix the disorder they are born with and they would be completely male in that case, just because they have something that is affecting the way their body should behave doesn't make them not male.

So you would advocate "fixing" how they were biologically born?  How is this any different from a person undergoing gender reassignment because their sex and gender are mismatched?  Keep in mind: these people are born with male genitalia, so surgery would be required.  Without a genetic test, people born with this condition are often indistinguishable from XX females.

Ted Pinson wrote:

So you would advocate "fixing" how they were biologically born?  How is this any different from a person undergoing gender reassignment because their sex and gender are mismatched?  Keep in mind: these people are born with male genitalia, so surgery would be required.

Basically comes down to having a disease (yes i know they don't like that term) that we don't have a fix for yet. How many people are born with something that causes a leg or an arm not to work? Would you not fix it if you could?

Sure there are people born with parts from male and female and if possible if they can fix the cause than sure go for it. However alot of times they don't have a simple fix for it. That isn't the same as someone born XY and nothing physically wrong with their body that caused organs to grow strange. They are still male just have something wrong with their body that causes parts to grow wrong.

You don't get it - this is not a "disease," nor did their parts come out "wrong."  This is built into their DNA just as XY is (presumably) built into yours.  Gene expression is much more complicated than what is taught in most school curricula or portrayed in the media, which is where many of these misconceptions come from.  If I told you a genetic test showed you lacked a Y chromosome, would you request gender reassignment to "fix" your "disease"?

Do you even read your own post? These things have known causes. It isn't just someone wakes up one day with a problem during development. Here let me list a few random ones from the list. (some of these have never  even been seen in humans)

XX Progestin-induced virilisationIn this case, the excess androgen hormones are caused by use of progestin, a drug that was used in the 1950s and 1960s to prevent miscarriage. These individuals normally have internal and external female anatomy, with functional ovaries and will therefore have menstruation. They develop, however, some male secondary sex characteristics and they frequently have unusually large clitorises. In very advanced cases, such children have initially been identified as males

XX FreemartinismThis condition occurs commonly in all species of cattle and affects most females born as a twin to a male. It is rare or unknown in other mammals, including humans. In cattle, the placentae of fraternal twins usually fuse at some time during the pregnancy, and the twins then share their blood supply. If the twins are of different sexes, male hormones produced in the body of the fetal bull find their way into the body of the fetal heifer (female), and masculinize her. Her sexual organs do not develop fully, and her ovaries may even contain testicular tissue. When adult, such a freemartin is very like a normal female in external appearance, but she is infertile, and behaves more like a castrated male (a steer). The male twin is not significantly affected, although (if he remains entire) his testes may be slightly reduced in size. The degree of masculinization of the freemartin depends on the stage of pregnancy at which the placental fusion occurs – in about ten percent of such births no fusion occurs and both calves develop normally as in other mammals.

XY Congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH)In individuals with a Y chromosome (typically XY) who have Congenital adrenal hyperplasia due to 17 alpha-hydroxylase deficiency, CAH inhibits virilization, unlike cases without a Y chromosome.

XY Persistent Müllerian duct syndrome (PMDS)The child has XY chromosomes typical of a male. The child has a male body and an internal uterus and fallopian tubes because his body did not produce Müllerian inhibiting factor during fetal development.

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I'm not sure if you realize that the evidence you just cited actually contradicts your claim.  Here's what to seem to be missing:

Left to their own devices, all humans will come out biologically female.  Certain factors can alter this phenotype expression, with the presence of a Y chromosome being just one of many.  Forming ones identity (or worse: assigning identity to someone else) based on this is fallacious, because all of these factors are just as natural as meiosis and crossing over.  Sure, you can "correct" this phenotype expression, but then you're just as much trans as a person with XX transitioning to male.

Ted Pinson wrote:

I'm not sure if you realize that the evidence you just cited actually contradicts your claim.  Here's what to seem to be missing:

Left to their own devices, all humans will come out biologically female.  Certain factors can alter this phenotype expression, with the presence of a Y chromosome being just one of many.  Forming ones identity (or worse: assigning identity to someone else) based on this is fallacious, because all of these factors are just as natural as meiosis and crossing over.  Sure, you can "correct" this phenotype expression, but then you're just as much trans as a person with XX transitioning to male.

So you think being born with a Y chromosome but somehow being "female" means everything worked like it was suppose to?

You really don't see that they have a Y chromosome things were suppose to be male but something else along the way caused the Y chromosome not to do what it was suppose to do?

ViperScale wrote:

So you think being born with a Y chromosome but somehow being "female" means everything worked like it was suppose to?

You really don't see that they have a Y chromosome things were suppose to be male but something else along the way caused the Y chromosome not to do what it was suppose to do?

You are assuming an intentionality and purpose that simply does not exist in nature.  Nothing works how it is "supposed to," it simply works as it is.  In the absence of other factors, a person with a Y chromosome would be male.  In the absence of that factor, they would be female.  There is literally no difference.

Ted Pinson wrote:

You are assuming an intentionality and purpose that simply does not exist in nature.  Nothing works how it is "supposed to," it simply works as it is.  In the absence of other factors, a person with a Y chromosome would be male.  In the absence of that factor, they would be female.  There is literally no difference.

Fine with your train of fault but I don't ever want to hear you get mad if someone steals something or cuts your rope while climbing because hey it is just all random what happens just happens.