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Rock Climbing Photo: Michal R on the FA
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By Dante L
Jun 18, 2017
Sucks that the FA was done with pre placed draws - ... maybe I'm just too old school?
By Jon Nelson
From: Bellingham, WA
Jun 19, 2017
Maybe Dante. But I'm guessing that this thing is more like a 12++, so it is consistent with many FAs of that grade. I am sure Michal can go back on it now and place them on lead.

Incredible line.
I think my shoulders would be instantly destroyed if I tried it, so I'm fine just looking at it.
By Stamati
From: Bellingham, WA
Jun 19, 2017
Yeah, this thing is easily .12c according to folks who've tried it. The second ascent was done by a 5.14 climber and I'm pretty sure he didn't onsight.

Plenty of people do sport routes with pre-placed draws. It's more fun that way in my opinion. If you think it sucks, go up there and do it in your own style.
By Ryan Hoover
Jun 19, 2017
Yeah, I'm with Stamati. It's sport climbing, equinox for example has all perma draws. Ethics in sport climbing aren't real.
By michal
From: Everett WA
Jun 19, 2017
I have climbed it placing draws does not add any difficulty IMO, you clip off good holds.
By Dante L
Jun 19, 2017
It's all good, I think if I ever get on that climb I would need preplaced draws with long aiders attached. I also appreciate all of the route development you guys are doing - Thanks
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Michal R on the FA

Submitted By: Ryan Hoover on Jun 15, 2017
On this route:
Message of Love (5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c )
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