Yelling at Tahquitz/Suicide

Marc801 C wrote:

Perhaps  you should take the time to read it. There is lots there that just might keep you from getting killed. 

Really, your self righteous attitude is wearing thin.

If you're going to be an internet bully, at least be a creative one. C'mon! Be funny! Is this all you got?!!?!? Thanks for continuing to bump my thread to the top, I appreciate it ;)

ColinW wrote: Hey man, I'm annoyed by the yelling but I would be very annoyed if I had to pick up body parts cause some noob thought they was on belay when they weren't. Yep! If people are on a longer route where communication is gonna be difficult, It's not rocket science to pick up a little handheld radio set at walmart so you can talk to your partner and trust me......this is much more beneficial than being the one to pick up body parts or see a buddies blood at the crag. Ask me how I know. Radios are fairly inexpensive.

climbing friend,

how do you utilize codenames on the radio to avoid confusion? "Lucky peter, this is ramrod, I'm off belay, over ... Ramrod, this is lucky peter, don't let your nuts lift when you see that roof.?"

s.price wrote:

Easily top 3 weakest responses of 2017. Marc was calling you on your bullshit and this is your best response?

Now that is funny.

Do I get a prize for top three? Bump!

Radios now days can be very quite.  The radio I linked in my previous post work amazing.  My fiance has a very small voice.  The radios work amazing and I know for a fact people cant hear us when we use them.

i think i'm done with all this yelling nonsense too, it's time to move into sign language.

anyone have a reference card for hand signals to indicate "off-belay"?

corpse wrote:

On belay is a come-to-me wave.

dont you n00bs have radios and sat. phones?

WHAT DID YOU SAY?

Belay until rope ends and its tight on ur lil crotchity poo

then climb with fat buttox up until you are looking into your partners eyeballs (deeply)

whisper softly, intently;

'off belay.'

Tradiban wrote: Please consider learning to communicate while climbing without speaking and especially yelling. There are lots of spots where your climber or belayer won't be able to hear you. Even trying to communicate by yelling could cause more confusion and dangerous situations. You can use the 2 tugs means on belay method but I recommend just telling the belayor that when the rope runs out just let go of the belay device, wait a minute or two and then start climbing, leaving the belay device on the rope. If you climb up and the slack is taken up you are either on belay or simuling, with a competent leader you are safe...probably ;)

Back on track!

to recap:

Amos told Doofus to climb in silent mode without voice commands at busy Tahquitz.  while Amos led halfway up one of the pitches, Doofus heard someone else yelled "OFF BELAY" nearby.  Doofus took Amos off belay despite being told to use silent mode, and yelled up to Amos that belay was off.  Amos in mid crux and in shitshow mode kept screaming "NO" down at Doofus, and got him to put Amos back on belay.  afterward Amos forgave Doofus bec he's much more forgiving than others, deemed Doofus' mistake honest, but wasn't forgiving of other people's yelling.  Amos went on internet to demand people go silent mode so that Doofus wouldn't fuck up again

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edited to correct Doofus spelling to fully reflect ongoing dipshittery

Sean wrote:

to recap:

Amos told Duffus to climb in silent mode without voice commands at busy Tahquitz.  while Amos led halfway up one of the pitches, Duffus heard someone else yelled "OFF BELAY" nearby.  Duffus took Amos off belay despite being told to use silent mode, and yelled up to Amos that belay was off.  Amos in mid crux and in shitshow mode kept screaming "NO" down at Duffus, and got him to put Amos back on belay.  afterward Amos forgave Duffus bec he's much more forgiving than others, deemed Duffus' mistake honest, but wasn't forgiving of other people's yelling.  Amos went on internet to demand people go silent mode so that Duffus wouldn't fuck up again

Excellent thread summary! You misspelled Doofus though................ ;)

One day, long ago, during a midweek, mid spring jaunt up the Lilly, my partner from the PNW took care of this problem, if only for the day.  A party was on Angels Fright, and since it was long ago, midweek, we were the only other climbers there.  The group on Angel's Fright were yelling back and forth.  The leader was yelling on-belay to the follower.  The follower yelled, "WHAT!!!"  The leader would yell, "You are ON-BELAY!"  This went on for quite some time and it does not bode well with folks from the PNW that climb the Cascade Choss... 

So, my buddy yells yup to them, "shut up!"  The follower yells down that he and his partner were communicating there required signals.  Immediately the leader again yells, "Hey Sean, (maybe it was Nick, or S. Price) what are you doing, YOU ARE ON BELAY!!!" The follower yells down to the PNW dude and asks what his partner was communicating.  PNW Dude lets them know that they have no business being on the rock until you figure this shit out, so "SHUT UP!"  The leader did hear this last exchange and yelled down to my buddy, "You shut the fuck up!"

So, long story short... my buddy drops the pack and rack.  Looks up and yells, "I'm coming up there so you can tell me that to my face, or you can just shut the fuck up now and crawl away to your rat hole!"  Never heard another word from those peeps...

x15x15 wrote:

So, long story short... my buddy drops the pack and rack.  Looks up and yells, "I'm coming up there so you can tell me that to my face, or you can just shut the fuck up now and crawl away to your rat hole!"  Never heard another word from those peeps...

A real macho-fest. Toughman competition! "I'll kick your ass." 

Imagine two guys fighting on fifth-class terrain.

FrankPS wrote:

A real macho-fest. Toughman competition! "I'll kick your ass." 

Imagine two guys fighting on fifth-class terrain.

I don't have to imagine

serene ambiance would always be nice.  but you've got to be clueless or delusional to expect that at Tahquitz on busy days.  you would even be incompetent if you don't come prepared for the crowd issues.  others' sloppy communication annoy and detract from enjoyment, but not something that competent parties couldn't deal with

it's one thing to campaign for less noise and chaos by urging people to steamline their comm.  it's something else rancid to gloss over your partner's major brain fart malfunction, put all the blame on others, and then demand people to make a sweeping change to go silent to better suit yourself and to compensate for your partner's penchant to fuck up

keep in mind, many other people could deal with those same gripes to go up and down Tahquitz without incident.  that fiasco happened bec of one bonehead's mindboggling ineptitude, and also bec the other bonehead was halfass enough to leave the ground without a comm system that they both could stick to

Sean wrote:

 it's something else rancid to gloss over your partner's major brain fart malfunction, 

awesome!!! 

Sean rules

Tradiban wrote: ^^^ That makes no sense. I agree with the OP. Everyone should STFU for several reasons. One, it's annoying as hell hearing all those noobs yelling all kinds of shit. Even some experienced people have way too much dialogue. Two, and more importantly, in busy areas, it is easy to confuse someone's communication with your own. I know of more than one occasion where leaders have been taken off belay while still on lead because their belayer heard off belay. But it was from another party. I've even participated in a serious injury 100 foot ground fall for this same reason. I was almost taken off belay a few weeks ago because noobs were yelling without names, my partner yelled back to me "OK! Off Belay!" and I'm like mid-crux, started yelling "NO! NO! NO! NO!", thankfully we were close enough that he heard me, that could have been bad. I don't really like the tug system, tends to be too vague and get confusing as well, especially climbing with less experienced people

So you started "yelling" when you said no! no! no!  Sounds like it was an effective communication tool....

Sean wrote:

serene ambiance would always be nice.  but you've got to be clueless or delusional to expect that at Tahquitz on busy days.  you would even be incompetent if you don't come prepared for the crowd issues.  others' sloppy communication annoy and detract from enjoyment, but not something that competent parties couldn't deal with

it's one thing to campaign for less noise and chaos by urging people to steamline their comm.  it's something else rancid to gloss over your partner's major brain fart malfunction, put all the blame on others, and then demand people to make a sweeping change to go silent to better suit yourself and to compensate for your partner's penchant to fuck up

keep in mind, many other people could deal with those same gripes to go up and down Tahquitz without incident.  that fiasco happened bec of one bonehead's mindboggling ineptitude, and also bec the other bonehead was halfass enough to leave the ground without a comm system that they both could stick to

I'm not demanding anything, just suggesting. My experience prompted me to think about communication on the mountain, hence this thread. I have climbed in Idy often without incident but usually with annoyance at all the damn yelling.

X15s macho incident could have been avoided with the silent technique. So, I don't really understand why you are so hostile to the idea of climbing silent. Perhaps it's that you are afraid of change?