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Earthtreks coming to Englewood - 52,000 sf gym

John McNamee · · Littleton, CO · Joined Jul 2002 · Points: 1,690

Movement Denver is 75.00 per month

Earthtreks Golden is 79.00 per month.

How did you get a 65.00 month deal? Thanks?

trailridge · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 20
lenore sparks wrote:

Climbing is the new CrossFit... 

It is even worse, crossfit has always been glorified training and fun for those involved. Climbing has been so much more.  A lifestyle, A rebellious quest.  A philosophy.  With the tremendous numbers entering in to our "sport".  Something will be lost.  Only another physical pursuit with some risk.   You can't and shouldn't stop it.  But climbing is a becoming a mere sport.   

Matt Pierce · · Poncha Springs, CO · Joined May 2010 · Points: 312

The response I've gotten from most gyms is - "prices are inline with what other gyms are doing" - that's laughable - more supply/same demand should = lower pricing and more incentives.

I get (and appreciate) that gyms are trying to "build a community" and all that but for Ubergrippen it is going to be a glorified daycare for yuppy kids and their overachiever parents. I may get a punch card if the place is manageable - only because they have auto-belays. I can run over there or stop on my way home for a quick burn. My partners and I go to Movement and I plan to stay - especially because they have cracks and the people are cool.

Seb303 · · Westminster, CO · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 10

Wow, people on MP love to whine and complain.  Why don't you all just cry about it, that should help.  Or move to SLC if you hate it so bad here.  I'm stoked we're getting more gyms.   

Jeremy K · · Evergreen, CO · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 0
Matt Pierce wrote:

The response I've gotten from most gyms is - "prices are inline with what other gyms are doing" - that's laughable - more supply/same demand should = lower pricing and more incentives.

Sorry, you are wrong.  Prices are not coming down.  Get over it.  Hopefully Uber ends up being a good gym, it would be nice to have another option in the area.

Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,665
trailridge wrote:

Climbing has been so much more.  A lifestyle, A rebellious quest.  A philosophy.  With the tremendous numbers entering in to our "sport".  Something will be lost.  Only another physical pursuit with some risk.   You can't and shouldn't stop it.  But climbing is a becoming a mere sport.   

Seek and Ye shall still find.  You loose the image, but you still control your own thoughts and pursuits, which, if anything, frees you to do it for your own reasons even moreso.
Doing something because the crowds are and NOT doing something because the crowds are is more or less the same thing - both are still externally motivated and allow others to control you.
Climbing is a mere sport for those who pursue it that way.  I say: let them.  It does not effect me so much other than to improve the gear.  Maybe they'll find something along the way too, if climbing truly is a natural vehicle for something greater.

Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,665
Jeremy Kasmann wrote:

Sorry, you are wrong.  Prices are not coming down.  Get over it.  Hopefully Uber ends up being a good gym, it would be nice to have another option in the area.

He is not wrong, he is correct in pointing out that paradox.
ANd here is the cause - climbing gyms are creating their own market, to a degree.  More people go if it is very near and convenient.  And more people will pay more for a membership if they can go more often, which has to do with proximity.
And since gyms see day-passes as an unreliable source of funding that is seasonal, yet a source of crowds that turn people off to membership, increased daypass costs are not a surprise.  IT's the gyms moving the supply demand curve.

And yes, prices are going up.

When the property taxes double and wages are increased by 30%+, what did you expect might happen?

curt86iroc · · Lakewood, CO · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 274

climbing gym memberships are on par or less than other fitness institutions, at least in golden/lakewood.  if you want to compare to crossfit, look up what a monthly membership costs...

La MoMoface · · Arvada, CO · Joined Apr 2008 · Points: 60
Matt Pierce wrote:

Interestingly I noticed that Ubergrippen posted on their FB page that they would likely be raising their rates WHEN THEY OPEN in June - really - raise rates the day you open your gym? 

Are you sure it's not a 'sign up now and get a special rate, sign up once we're open for the normal rate'?

Matt Pierce · · Poncha Springs, CO · Joined May 2010 · Points: 312
Momoface wrote:

Are you sure it's not a 'sign up now and get a special rate, sign up once we're open for the normal rate'?

Basically and I think those early birds are protected against a rate hike for 3 years. HOWEVER, what they are saying is: "Sign up for this not-so-special special rate (same rate as everyone else in town) and we will lock you in for 3 years...even though you have no idea what we are offering because we aren't even open yet" 

Don't know how crowded it will be, how many kids will rule the place, how good/bad the route setting is etc.

Look all I am personally saying is I can afford 1 $80/month gym, not 4. 

Parker Wrozek · · Denver, CO · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 86
John McNamee wrote:

Movement Denver is 75.00 per month

Earthtreks Golden is 79.00 per month.

How did you get a 65.00 month deal? Thanks?

I believe that is close to the Corporate rate (I believe it is 10% off so $67.50), not sure how/if you can get it down to $65.  All you need is three people total to sign up and pay it to get the deal. Yet I stil go to ET and pay $11.50 more a month. 

curt86iroc · · Lakewood, CO · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 274

if you signed up with ET when they first opened you could get a family membership for $120/month...covers 2 adults living in the same house (so basically $60 each person). although now i believe they raised the family rate to $140.

Parker Wrozek · · Denver, CO · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 86
curt86iroc wrote:

if you signed up with ET when they first opened you could get a family membership for $120/month...covers 2 adults living in the same house (so basically $60 each person). although now i believe they raised the family rate to $140.

You have to be blood or married though.

Jeremy K · · Evergreen, CO · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 0
Tony B wrote:

He is not wrong, he is correct in pointing out that paradox.
ANd here is the cause - climbing gyms are creating their own market, to a degree.  More people go if it is very near and convenient.  And more people will pay more for a membership if they can go more often, which has to do with proximity.
And since gyms see day-passes as an unreliable source of funding that is seasonal, yet a source of crowds that turn people off to membership, increased daypass costs are not a surprise.  IT's the gyms moving the supply demand curve.

And yes, prices are going up.

When the property taxes double and wages are increased by 30%+, what did you expect might happen?

You call it a paradox, I call it a gross over-simplification.  Regardless, I don't expect rates to drop any time soon (for many reasons, including the ones you mentioned).  And I don't blame Ubergrippen for that.

Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,665

Jeremy Kasmann wrote:

You call it a paradox, I call it a gross over-simplification.  Regardless, I don't expect rates to drop any time soon (for many reasons, including the ones you mentioned).  And I don't blame Ubergrippen for that.

I think that you are correct that the rates will not drop.  I might expect to see them increase more, in fact, as there is continued upward pressure on wages and property taxes.
I'm just saying that you called what he said wrong because you misunderstood what he said.
There is also a factor that with decreasing crowd density, they gyms will need to charge more to stay afloat, or might just take the opportunity of increased demand to increase profit margin, but every market is going to be 'local' to a degree.  If you are too near another gym, you might have less crowds and be more desirable and thus be able to raise your price whilst you have to anyway.... and if you are the only game in town, you might see them go up just because you can...

Supply and demand are not as simple as people what to think, because the demand is not static.  It is dependent upon both price and commute.

I'm also saying that the new quote features and auto-format on this site are among the worst I've ever encountered.

Parker Wrozek · · Denver, CO · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 86
Tony B wrote:

Yeah, it is awful. Just pull the post you are quoting not all the other ones that previous people have quoted. 

Mydans · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 70

It's funny how popular gyms have become but gyms are just training areas for actual climbing.  Like other people have said many of these new climbers are really just that "gym climbers". I'v e been climbing on the front range since 94 and to be honest the trad crags aren't really any more crowded than they were then.  In fact some trad areas are less crowded because a lot of newer climbers are unwilling to hike very far.  I get out a lot and very rarely have to wait in lines to climb even moderate trad routes and if you can lead 5.10 on gear there is always something open to get on.  For example, ever since they moved the parking lot at lumpy ridge I have definitely noticed less people at all the major crags.  Yeah sport areas are a bit more crowded but people were making the same arguments about crowds, dilution of the sport and the advent of gyms 20 years ago but to the real climbers not much has changed.  I for one am all for building new gyms in the hope that crowds inside will be less for me to get a workout after work.  I remember when movement boulder opened and the owners were very clear about wanting to put the BRC out of business and that never even came close to happening. I think well all be surprised at how many gyms this area can support and with literally thousands of outdoor routes within an hour of denver there will always be a place to climb.

Khoi · · Vancouver, BC · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 45
lenore sparks wrote:

Climbing is the new CrossFit... 

Bouldering has already secured that title

Kent Pease · · Littleton, CO · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 1,066

In addition to the factors mentioned above regarding usership, I expect that there will be increased specialization with gyms catering to different user groups (general fitness, family, dedicated climber), route setting (gymnastic, power, finesse, mimic outdoor, etc.) and other intangible factors. We’re already seeing this to some degree.

Trevor stuart · · Denver · Joined Mar 2014 · Points: 105
John McNamee wrote:

Movement Denver is 75.00 per month

Earthtreks Golden is 79.00 per month.

How did you get a 65.00 month deal? Thanks?

Corporate membership

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