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Patagonia boycotts Outdoor Retailer show in support of Bears Ears...

Morgan Patterson · · NH · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,960

"But OR's departure doesn't mean that Patagonia is ready to leave Utah politicians alone. This morning they are launching a campaign to flood Utah Governor Gary Herbert's office with comments in favor of Bears Ears National Monument. The company is using Phone2Action, a site that allows organizations to connect supporters with elected officials. The company will use Facebook and Twitter to share a Phone2Action link which will supply followers with a brief set of talking points and then patch their phone call directly into the governor’s office. Patagonia hopes to generate thousands of calls from Utah citizens with the effort. (Though it also hopes non-Utahns will voice their support as well.)"

- outsideonline.com/2158571/p…

Patagonia continuing to lead the fight IN Utah... despite having lead the push to pull the show. Seems like its not just take out ball and leave...

They're sticking around for the fight and proving some of our commentators wrong.

Lynn Stephens · · Orem, Utah · Joined Aug 2009 · Points: 0
Tylerpratt wrote:^ you should add a rope swing to that arch.
Oh wait, Dean Potter already did that. outsideonline.com/1825021/h…
a.l. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2008 · Points: 5
Rob T wrote: Utah state Representative dares people to stop visiting Oh good, now they're taking the same approach to public lands that they do to alcohol. "We control it so you'll take what we give you, and like it."
It can always get weirder.

Secret coordination? » Among other questions Utah Republican wants answered: Was there prior notice from Obama’s White House?
Chaffetz probes Bryce Canyon tweet welcoming Bears Ears

sltrib.com/home/4967844-155…
eli poss · · Durango, CO · Joined May 2014 · Points: 525
a.l. wrote: It can always get weirder. Secret coordination? » Among other questions Utah Republican wants answered: Was there prior notice from Obama’s White House? Chaffetz probes Bryce Canyon tweet welcoming Bears Ears sltrib.com/home/4967844-155…
Seriously? Who gives a flying fuck. This is definately what they should be spending tax-payer dollars doing. It's a fucking tweet, get over it.
a.l. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2008 · Points: 5
eli poss wrote: Seriously? Who gives a flying fuck. This is definately what they should be spending tax-payer dollars doing. It's a fucking tweet, get over it.
The 2008 election left Mr. Chaffetz uncomfortable with derivations of the word "hope".
T Brad · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2007 · Points: 210
sltrib.com/opinion/4966790-…

It's not just about protecting lands. Many of those who oppose the monument still want to protect the area.
Mark Rolofson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 1,000

In 2018, Utah Representative Jason Chaffetz will be up for re-election. The outdoor community & its organizations should aggressively oppose his re-election & shine a spotlight on his contempt for Bear Ears National Monument & meeting with Donald Trump to rescind it.

Secondly, Jason Chaffetz is the head of the congressional oversight committee. Chaffetz is shirking his responsibility by ignoring Trump's many conflicts of interests & how this is violating the emoluments clause of the constitution & the Stock Act. Instead, Chaffetz is cozying up to Trump to rescind Bear Ears.

I supported Chaffetz's investigation into the FBI not charging Hillary Clinton for her use of a private email server, but clearly he is more about partisan politics than impartial investigations. Sadly, It is like this on both sides of the aisle. What we are seeing now, makes me think we should take to the streets, disrupt commerce & refuse to pay our taxes. A revolution may be needed to overthrow the corporate cabal that has taken over our government.

Mark Rolofson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 1,000
T Brad wrote:http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/4966790-155/op-ed-utah-invested-in-public-lands It's not just about protecting lands. Many of those who oppose the monument still want to protect the area.
I couldn't disagree more with this op-ed by Timothy Hawkes. He is clearly only looking at fossil fuel revenues & the wages that dirty energy jobs create, without examining the external costs that the oil & gas industry passes on to the communities & taxpayers in the form of clean-ups & health problems. Hawkes is assuming the best case scenario in Bear Ears that would support oil drilling without impacting our wild places. Water & wildlife will be impacted by drilling & mining.

Once, a national monument has been created, it has NEVER been rescinded by a future president. Furthermore, Utah governor Gary Herbert & the state legislature want to see the Antiquities Act (that presidents use to create National Monuments) overturned, as well. Rescinding either Bear Ears National Monument or the Antiquities Act are RADICAL ideas. The party wishing to do this can not rightfully call itself conservative. Welcome to the Republican Reich!
Jon Welchans · · Longmont Colorado · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 75

Perhaps it's time to add Arizona to the boycott list. Remember Chaffetz claims paid protestors disrupted his town hall meeting. See where this is all going.

azcapitoltimes.com/news/201…

"Claiming people are being paid to riot, Republican state senators voted Wednesday to give police new power to arrest anyone who is involved in a peaceful demonstration that may turn bad — even before anything actually happened.

SB1142 expands the state’s racketeering laws, now aimed at organized crime, to also include rioting. And it redefines what constitutes rioting to include actions that result in damage to the property of others.

But the real heart of the legislation is what Democrats say is the guilt by association — and giving the government the right to criminally prosecute and seize the assets of everyone who planned a protest and everyone who participated. And what’s worse, said Sen. Steve Farley, D-Tucson, is that the person who may have broken a window, triggering the claim there was a riot, might actually not be a member of the group but someone from the other side."

Mark Rolofson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 1,000

If this bill passes the state house in Arizona, it will most likely see a constitutional challenge in court. This bill is clearly about stifling dissent & not about preventing a riot. There are already laws in place to prosecute violent forms of protest & rioting. Those laws are already abused & misrepresented by the police. But this new proposal allows organizers to be charged should their protest gets rowdy or violence occurs from an infiltrator.

When I call the Republican party RADICAL, FASCIST or the REPUBLICAN REICH, I don't believe that I am exaggerating in any way. It's just the obvious truth. The whole agenda of Trump & the Republicans is radical!

Here in Colorado, our Republican Senator, Cory Gardner is refusing to have town hall meetings. Clearly he is not interested in his constituents opinions. He is basically a spineless coward. At least, Mitch McConnell & Jason Chaffetz did hold town hall meetings.

eli poss · · Durango, CO · Joined May 2014 · Points: 525
Mark Rolofson wrote:He is basically a spineless coward. At least, Mitch McConnell & Jason Chaffetz did hold town hall meetings.
I don't know if you can really give that credit to Chaffetz. He showed up very briefly at the meeting and when he saw that the audience didn't agree with him, he left. Apparently he was "threatened" by an opinion other than his own.
BrokenChairs 88 · · Denver, CO · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 240
eli poss wrote: I don't know if you can really give that credit to Chaffetz. He showed up very briefly at the meeting and when he saw that the audience didn't agree with him, he left. Apparently he was "threatened" by an opinion other than his own.
I was there and yes he most certainly left 45 minutes early and was clearly flustered by the audience being in almost complete opposition to his agenda.
Mark Rolofson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 1,000

Thank you Broken Chairs for clarifying that about Jason Chaffetz leaving 45 minutes early. Clearly, the agenda of the Republican agenda is being met with fierce resistance & these lawmakers think they can just discount it. In 2 years hopefully Chaffetz will be booted out of Washington. Unfortunately, Cory Gardner isn't up re-election until 2020.

Brian in SLC · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Oct 2003 · Points: 21,746
BrokenChairs wrote: I was there and yes he most certainly left 45 minutes early and was clearly flustered by the audience being in almost complete opposition to his agenda.
Hey, speakin' of which, have you been paid for attending yet? We were bused in from Sandy (about 5 minutes away) as some of those "out-of-towners"...ha ha.

Interesting spin from him post townhall. I didn't see any out of state plates other than a couple of friends who live up by the capital (in our gerrymandered SL County...split into three districts...!), everyone I spoke to was from his district.

Good times...
BrokenChairs 88 · · Denver, CO · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 240
Brian in SLC wrote: Hey, speakin' of which, have you been paid for attending yet? We were bused in from Sandy (about 5 minutes away) as some of those "out-of-towners"...ha ha. Interesting spin from him post townhall. I didn't see any out of state plates other than a couple of friends who live up by the capital (in our gerrymandered SL County...split into three districts...!), everyone I spoke to was from his district. Good times...
Hahaha, I sent him an invoice and am still awaiting my check. Glad to hear I wasn't the only other "out-of-towner" that was paid to attend. I just read an article on NPR that he is still spreading this "Alternative Fact". npr.org/2017/02/24/51698373…

Good times indeed!
Mark Rolofson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 1,000

Very interesting that Chaffetz is denouncing his constituents that criticize him as paid protesters. Republican legislators in North Dakota are also promoting this alternative fact about paid protesters at Standing Rock.

I am afraid that a verse from a Green Day song best outlines the truth. "Another protester has crossed the line, only to find the money's on the other side." People attend town hall meetings & go to protests because they want to be part of the Democratic process. Best case scenario is if you get arrested you might get a free lawyer working for a non-profit that is part of the protest.

Rob D · · Queens, NY · Joined May 2011 · Points: 30

I really want one of these hypothetical $1,500 a week paid protestor jobs. Would just dirtbag around the states in the most beautiful republican counties climbing and clearing 50k. What a magical mystery world it would be.

Long Ranger · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 654
Mark Rolofson wrote: Once, a national monument has been created, it has NEVER been rescinded by a future president.
I ask this out of general curiosity, and not to be inflammatory, but is this true? Example, Mount of the Holy Cross,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount…
"Under USDA Forest Service administration, the mountain was proclaimed "Holy Cross National Monument" by Herbert Hoover on May 11, 1929. The monument was transferred to the National Park Service in 1933.[6] In 1950, it was returned to the Forest Service and lost its National Monument status—the number of visitors to the mountain and the nearby "Pilgrim's Hut" had waned, and the expense of full-time staff could not be justified."

Perhaps there's the "by a future president" point, but this is an example of a National Monument that was demoted. Yes, Mount of the HC, and surrounding land was made into Holy Cross Wilderness, but that wasn't for 30 more years, in 1980.

So there is precedent that National Monuments can be demoted, perhaps it would take an act of Congress, but today's Congress doesn't seem unfavorable to something like this. Just doing a curosory google search, this ain't the only demoted National Monument (or Park)

backpacker.com/stories/amer…

roadtrippers.com/stories/fo…
Mark Rolofson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 1,000

Thank you Long Ranger. I was unaware of this piece of history. At least from wikipedia, it doesn't appear it was by the president at the time. Mt. Holy Cross went from being a national monument to a national park, but the revenue from it was too little to justify the expense. 10 national park & monuments shows there is some precedent to demote their status. All parks & monuments remained so for 15 years or more, with the exception of Jackson Hole.

In the case of Jackson Hole National Monument it was folded into Teton National Park. That is certainly an option for Bear Ears in the future to join it with Canyonlands.

The Utah Republicans want to see Bear Ears rescinded ASAP because they don't want the land to have National Monument protections.

other · · San Diego, CA · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 15

Many of the people outraged and screaming boycott Patagonia can't afford to buy Patagonia. I do think their stuff should be made in USA .

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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