The comparable risks of being fat and climbing
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Bill Kirby wrote: Haha.. no HAHA.. health care costs are crazy high because of fat people? They're crazy high because of capitalism and cronyism.....huh? I said they're high because it's a closed system financed by 3rd parties. Do you even read? Funny how we can't complain about the cost of bread due to capitalism and cronyism. Laronicus Lehmanold wrote: obamacarefacts.com/factors-… consumerreports.org/cro/mag… pnhp.org/blog/2013/07/24/wh…Stop fact-splaining |
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This thread is going to be goooood... |
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Ball wrote: No, you clearly don't get it. Do I need to break it down for you? The whole point of adding syndromes to the DSM V is to drum up more money and defend the "science" of psychotherapy. Even most psychologists are openly saying the DSM is becoming a joke. Do you honestly think diagnosing someone with "ACE" is going to help anyone (well, other than the psychologist)? Good god, how did the human species even survive this long? Hell, while child beatings are down happiness also seems to be down. Maybe we should be promoting ACE (yeah, that's sarcasm since you seem to be blind to it). I'm not making this about me. I'm pointing out that the DSM didn't make me (or anyone else) drop 50lbs. Just because I'm shitting on the egos of psychologists doesn't mean I'm pumping up my own.If it's not about you then why bring your past weight loss experience into the conversation? Why not write what you wrote above and leave it at that? You shit on kids who had a bad childhood saying there's nothing wrong with them, no need for treatment and no reason they should be obese, suicidal etc. If you feel psychologists slap a syndrome for everything than say just that. Don't back pedal either. |
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Ball wrote: ....huh? I said they're high because it's a closed system financed by 3rd parties. Do you even read? Funny how we can't complain about the cost of bread due to capitalism and cronyism. Stop fact-splainingYea, you're right. After going back and rereading your post I jumped to conclusions because I don't like you. My bad :) |
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The pill? Read Bessel Vander Kolk's The Body Keeps The Score. He's a psychiatrist who has been on the cutting edge of trauma research for 30+ years. He was involved with some of the initial drug trials for meds dealing with anxiety, depression, etc. He came to the conclusion that drugs maybe helpful for initial intervention, BUT are not cures and are detrimental if used long term. The pill is exercising neural plasticity by engaging in such activities as yoga, meditation, and a wide variety of others that help one rewire the nervous system. |
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Yea if you ever look at what medicine cost vs what they really say they are going to charge you vs what they really pay for them it is stupid. |
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Bill Kirby wrote: If it's not about you then why bring your past weight loss experience into the conversation? Why not write what you wrote above and leave it at that? You shit on kids who had a bad childhood saying there's nothing wrong with them, no need for treatment and no reason they should be obese, suicidal etc. If you feel psychologists slap a syndrome for everything than say just that. Don't back pedal either.• I bring my own experience into the conversation because I'm not just talking theory like some tweed-covered bullshit artist. • I didn't shit on kids or say there wasn't anything wrong with them. You're starting to demonstrate having some major psychological issues with this psychosis. Maybe you should print a copy of this thread when you have your next session. • "Don't back pedal either" LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
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David Rivers wrote:The pill is exercising neural plasticity by engaging in such activities as yoga, meditation, and a wide variety of others that help one rewire the nervous system.Sounds like most people just need to make a choice. I'm not saying it's an EASY choice, but without a will there is never a way. |
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Ball- Adverse Childhood Experiences is not a diagnosis, it's a diagnostic tool. npr.org/sections/health-sho… From your photo doesn't look like you'd be "fat" at 200#, more like overweight, but certainly not obese. Unless of course you're talking about "climbing fat" which is anything above 8% body fat for males. |
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rob.calm wrote:This is from a letter to the editor in NY Times As a former fat person, I think that “The Shame of Fat Shaming” (news analysis, Sunday Review, Oct. 2) comes dangerously close to saying society shouldn’t shame fat people because the poor things can’t help being fat. Having twice lost more than a hundred pounds, without surgery, and having kept them off the second time, I have no idea how many other fat people could do that if they tried. But any who could and choose not to should not be shamed. Health and fitness are not everyone’s top priority, nor need they be. Some people are willing to take medical risks for the pleasures of mountaineering; some people are willing to take medical risks for the pleasures of eating. No such people should be shamed, regardless of whether their risky adventures occur on Mount Everest or at Ben & Jerry’s. Letter SourceRob, trolling MP is a big step up from wrongfully calling compassionate climbers anti-semites, and an even bigger step up from organizing with some cabal/being used by some cabal in order to smear a good mans reputation. Keep it up, and maybe you can earn your way away from that reputation. |
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Ball wrote: • I bring my own experience into the conversation because I'm not just talking theory like some tweed-covered bullshit artist. • I didn't shit on kids or say there wasn't anything wrong with them. You're starting to demonstrate having some major psychological issues with this psychosis. Maybe you should print a copy of this thread when you have your next session. • "Don't back pedal either" LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLSo your experience alone turns "psychotherapy for anything and everything is BS" from theory to fact? Yea and I'm crazy.. *cough* BACKPEDAL *cough* |
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Tylerpratt wrote:You can eat an absurd amount of food if you exercise enough and not gain weight. Let's tell it how it really is for a change. People that eat too much and sit on their asses all day. There I said it. (Look at how much the rock or the mountain eats to maintain their weight.) They aren't taking a risk by eating. They are taking a risk by not exercising.No, most people can't. If you're eating 5,000-6,000 calories a day (which is not uncommon for Americans), you would have to be running 20 miles every day, which no one does. A lot of people (myself included) who are training up for a marathon GAIN weight, rather than lose it. That's because even when doing a huge amount of exercise, it really doesn't take much food to sustain that much calorie expenditure. |
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Zubin Chandran wrote: No, most people can't. If you're eating 5,000-6,000 calories a day (which is not uncommon for Americans), you would have to be running 20 miles every day, which no one does. A lot of people (myself included) who are training up for a marathon GAIN weight, rather than lose it. That's because even when doing a huge amount of exercise, it really doesn't take much food to sustain that much calorie expenditure.I hiked the AT and average 20 miles a day with a 15 lb bag on my back. I went from 175 lbs (muscle) to 142 lbs in 6 months and I was trying to keep weight on. I was eating 4-6,000 calories a day. |
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"most people cant" is a generalized excuse. The fact is Most people can but choose not to. |
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all i know is that the obese lady who sits two rows down from me gets winded when she used her mouse and i can hear her weeze all f'ing day. fat people are a drain on society and should be taxed for excessive weight. |
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You won't get any soundbites out of it, but the documentary below was pretty informative. It jibes w my experience, which is that it's always been ridiculously easy for me to stay thin. |
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I hit 40 and got a desk job and slowly gained 15 pounds, because I'm over 40, or because of the desk job? I say the desk job. Sitting on my ass while not compensating for the lack of activity and eating less. (I used to be a heavy equipment mechanic, lots of climbing up and down off of large equipment) |
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HAFE- thanks for introducing an article about real live scientific research on obesity and weight loss/regain. |
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Well damn, I'm a bigun (245 pounds) and I climb. I'm gonna drop dead any day now it seems. |