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The comparable risks of being fat and climbing

Ball · · Oakridge, OR · Joined Jan 2010 · Points: 70
Bill Kirby wrote: Haha.. no HAHA.. health care costs are crazy high because of fat people? They're crazy high because of capitalism and cronyism.
....huh?

I said they're high because it's a closed system financed by 3rd parties. Do you even read?

Funny how we can't complain about the cost of bread due to capitalism and cronyism.

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Stop fact-splaining
llanSan · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2014 · Points: 130

This thread is going to be goooood...

Bill Kirby · · Keene New York · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 480
Ball wrote: No, you clearly don't get it. Do I need to break it down for you? The whole point of adding syndromes to the DSM V is to drum up more money and defend the "science" of psychotherapy. Even most psychologists are openly saying the DSM is becoming a joke. Do you honestly think diagnosing someone with "ACE" is going to help anyone (well, other than the psychologist)? Good god, how did the human species even survive this long? Hell, while child beatings are down happiness also seems to be down. Maybe we should be promoting ACE (yeah, that's sarcasm since you seem to be blind to it). I'm not making this about me. I'm pointing out that the DSM didn't make me (or anyone else) drop 50lbs. Just because I'm shitting on the egos of psychologists doesn't mean I'm pumping up my own.
If it's not about you then why bring your past weight loss experience into the conversation? Why not write what you wrote above and leave it at that? You shit on kids who had a bad childhood saying there's nothing wrong with them, no need for treatment and no reason they should be obese, suicidal etc. If you feel psychologists slap a syndrome for everything than say just that.

Don't back pedal either.
Bill Kirby · · Keene New York · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 480
Ball wrote: ....huh? I said they're high because it's a closed system financed by 3rd parties. Do you even read? Funny how we can't complain about the cost of bread due to capitalism and cronyism. Stop fact-splaining
Yea, you're right. After going back and rereading your post I jumped to conclusions because I don't like you. My bad :)
David Rivers · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2008 · Points: 20

The pill? Read Bessel Vander Kolk's The Body Keeps The Score. He's a psychiatrist who has been on the cutting edge of trauma research for 30+ years. He was involved with some of the initial drug trials for meds dealing with anxiety, depression, etc. He came to the conclusion that drugs maybe helpful for initial intervention, BUT are not cures and are detrimental if used long term. The pill is exercising neural plasticity by engaging in such activities as yoga, meditation, and a wide variety of others that help one rewire the nervous system.

Anonymous · · Unknown Hometown · Joined unknown · Points: 0

Yea if you ever look at what medicine cost vs what they really say they are going to charge you vs what they really pay for them it is stupid.

They say it cost 1500$ for a month supply of insulin but it probably cost them like 10$ to really make it.

Ball · · Oakridge, OR · Joined Jan 2010 · Points: 70
Bill Kirby wrote: If it's not about you then why bring your past weight loss experience into the conversation? Why not write what you wrote above and leave it at that? You shit on kids who had a bad childhood saying there's nothing wrong with them, no need for treatment and no reason they should be obese, suicidal etc. If you feel psychologists slap a syndrome for everything than say just that. Don't back pedal either.
• I bring my own experience into the conversation because I'm not just talking theory like some tweed-covered bullshit artist.

• I didn't shit on kids or say there wasn't anything wrong with them. You're starting to demonstrate having some major psychological issues with this psychosis. Maybe you should print a copy of this thread when you have your next session.

• "Don't back pedal either" LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Ball · · Oakridge, OR · Joined Jan 2010 · Points: 70
David Rivers wrote:The pill is exercising neural plasticity by engaging in such activities as yoga, meditation, and a wide variety of others that help one rewire the nervous system.
Sounds like most people just need to make a choice. I'm not saying it's an EASY choice, but without a will there is never a way.
David Rivers · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2008 · Points: 20

Ball- Adverse Childhood Experiences is not a diagnosis, it's a diagnostic tool. npr.org/sections/health-sho… From your photo doesn't look like you'd be "fat" at 200#, more like overweight, but certainly not obese. Unless of course you're talking about "climbing fat" which is anything above 8% body fat for males.

JNE · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 2,110
rob.calm wrote:This is from a letter to the editor in NY Times As a former fat person, I think that “The Shame of Fat Shaming” (news analysis, Sunday Review, Oct. 2) comes dangerously close to saying society shouldn’t shame fat people because the poor things can’t help being fat. Having twice lost more than a hundred pounds, without surgery, and having kept them off the second time, I have no idea how many other fat people could do that if they tried. But any who could and choose not to should not be shamed. Health and fitness are not everyone’s top priority, nor need they be. Some people are willing to take medical risks for the pleasures of mountaineering; some people are willing to take medical risks for the pleasures of eating. No such people should be shamed, regardless of whether their risky adventures occur on Mount Everest or at Ben & Jerry’s. Letter Source
Rob, trolling MP is a big step up from wrongfully calling compassionate climbers anti-semites, and an even bigger step up from organizing with some cabal/being used by some cabal in order to smear a good mans reputation. Keep it up, and maybe you can earn your way away from that reputation.
Bill Kirby · · Keene New York · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 480
Ball wrote: • I bring my own experience into the conversation because I'm not just talking theory like some tweed-covered bullshit artist. • I didn't shit on kids or say there wasn't anything wrong with them. You're starting to demonstrate having some major psychological issues with this psychosis. Maybe you should print a copy of this thread when you have your next session. • "Don't back pedal either" LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
So your experience alone turns "psychotherapy for anything and everything is BS" from theory to fact? Yea and I'm crazy..

*cough* BACKPEDAL *cough*
Zubin Chandran · · Saint Louis, Missouri · Joined Oct 2013 · Points: 5
Tylerpratt wrote:You can eat an absurd amount of food if you exercise enough and not gain weight. Let's tell it how it really is for a change. People that eat too much and sit on their asses all day. There I said it. (Look at how much the rock or the mountain eats to maintain their weight.) They aren't taking a risk by eating. They are taking a risk by not exercising.
No, most people can't. If you're eating 5,000-6,000 calories a day (which is not uncommon for Americans), you would have to be running 20 miles every day, which no one does.

A lot of people (myself included) who are training up for a marathon GAIN weight, rather than lose it. That's because even when doing a huge amount of exercise, it really doesn't take much food to sustain that much calorie expenditure.
Tylerpratt · · Litchfield, Connecticut · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 40
Zubin Chandran wrote: No, most people can't. If you're eating 5,000-6,000 calories a day (which is not uncommon for Americans), you would have to be running 20 miles every day, which no one does. A lot of people (myself included) who are training up for a marathon GAIN weight, rather than lose it. That's because even when doing a huge amount of exercise, it really doesn't take much food to sustain that much calorie expenditure.
I hiked the AT and average 20 miles a day with a 15 lb bag on my back. I went from 175 lbs (muscle) to 142 lbs in 6 months and I was trying to keep weight on. I was eating 4-6,000 calories a day.
Tylerpratt · · Litchfield, Connecticut · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 40

"most people cant" is a generalized excuse. The fact is Most people can but choose not to.

highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion · · Colorado · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 35
Redyns · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 60

all i know is that the obese lady who sits two rows down from me gets winded when she used her mouse and i can hear her weeze all f'ing day. fat people are a drain on society and should be taxed for excessive weight.

Christian RodaoBack · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Jul 2005 · Points: 1,486

You won't get any soundbites out of it, but the documentary below was pretty informative. It jibes w my experience, which is that it's always been ridiculously easy for me to stay thin.

So I have zero rational reason to look down on overweight people, but in periods of weakness still find myself thinking some pretty smug things like:

"Isn't it easier to just not gain it in the first place? Now they're screwed to try to lose it. Did they just wake up overnight with an extra 150 lbs?"

or

"How smokin' hot that woman must have been before she gained that last 30 lbs."

I'm sure Karma will strike me down in some way for being such a jerk sometimes, but these thoughts just pop in my head.

And having a child growing up in an environment that's so stacked in favor of weight gain can be pretty scary as well (so far so good, Thank God)

youtube.com/watch?v=U1hbPXo…

Johnny Kipp · · St Albert Alberta · Joined Aug 2016 · Points: 105

I hit 40 and got a desk job and slowly gained 15 pounds, because I'm over 40, or because of the desk job? I say the desk job. Sitting on my ass while not compensating for the lack of activity and eating less. (I used to be a heavy equipment mechanic, lots of climbing up and down off of large equipment)
I'm 5'11" and am now 200 pounds.
I've done P90X before, and that was an eye opener for me, at first I couldn't follow the diet because I couldn't eat that much, but if I didn't eat the calories they recommended, I would crash halfway through the work out. Didn't lose any weight but that was the fittest I had ever been, and I played hockey five days a week in my twenties.
Me and my wife and children are all reasonably fit, and we keep a fairly close eye on it. I watched my Mom struggle with weight all her life, and she is still doing the diet of the month thing, lose twenty pounds gain twenty pounds. It really comes down to whether you want it or not. Not unlike quitting smoking, this coming from someone who smoked a pack a day for several years, I quit cold turkey 10 years ago and it was just a mindset.

I think it is mind over matter for 99% of people out there...

David Rivers · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2008 · Points: 20

HAFE- thanks for introducing an article about real live scientific research on obesity and weight loss/regain.

Chad Miller · · Grand Junction, CO · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 150

Well damn, I'm a bigun (245 pounds) and I climb. I'm gonna drop dead any day now it seems.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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