How much do TC Pro's stretch as they break in?

First pair I ever got was 45 and they were comfortable until they stretched to the point of feeling like flip flops. I sold those and downsized to 43.5, which also stretched but perform well if I'm doing anything that doesn't require precise edging. I can wear those all day, and even over a pair of lightweight wool socks if in the alpine.

So mine actually shrank...also, don't forget that it is a lace-up shoe - you can dial in the fit. I would focus on the toes...the rest will conform, one way or the other.

Anyone have a correlation to their Miura VS size?

I am a 42 in my Miura's and trying to decide between the TC's in 41.5 or 42.

Thanks!

solitudeclimber wrote:Anyone have a correlation to their Miura VS size? I am a 42 in my Miura's and trying to decide between the TC's in 41.5 or 42. Thanks!

i was just trying to figure this out the other way.
im 38 TC PRO, and tried 38 miura VS-they were roomy. tried a 37, painful, but almost doable. they didn't have a 37.5.

mostly, i was surprised that miura's would be comfortable smaller than my pros-not the most helpful.
just ordered miura lace in 37.5 hoping for a perfect comfy allday semi-aggressive break-in

Super helpful, if not 100% consistent, info on this thread - thanks to all for weighing in! I'll try the 41.5s and see how they break in.

Nick Drake wrote:I sized mine for performance, I'm the same street shoe as OP. 26.5, so 9 or 8.5 depending on brand. 42 in most approach shoes. 40.5 TC pro. Started with big toe just barely knuckled, ended with big toe flat and very snug. But I ended up wearing the tip of the rand thin, they had stretched out to the point where the rand was sticking out past the edge of the sole. With how stiff they are I don't think I gained anything edging by going down that far. I'd probably go with 41 for performance of 41.5 for moderate length multi pitch if I were buying another pair. Friends who have sized them at street shoe to .5 below for alpine claim no stretch. All that being said, I'm a lot happier with Katanas laces. I had crap feel through TC pros until I wore the sole quite thin, never really liked them. I have the katanas sized for a slight curl with no knuckling. Jam thin cracks MUCH better. Edge fairly similarly, but with a lot more feel. After 20 pitches they smear pretty well also. On top of that they work great for slightly overhanging sport too.

@Nick Drake - what size Katana Lace ended up working well for you? I'm interested in trying a pair of those as well, in the not too distant future.

solitudeclimber wrote:Anyone have a correlation to their Miura VS size? I am a 42 in my Miura's and trying to decide between the TC's in 41.5 or 42. Thanks!

I'm 44.5 in Miura VS, 43.5 in TC Pros.

The biggest thing I noticed was the tounge fit. When I got them originally, the tounge would dig into my upper foot after 3ish hours of use. After a few months, they fit like a charm!

Yeah, the tongue is weird. Wish they'd connect it to the shoe like the katana lace...PITA when it folds in on you.

I used to hate TC pros, they were too narrow and hurt my pinky toes just like you Mike Again. I went to my local cobbler and had him stretch the outside toe box right where it hurt the most, trying it on to make sure they didn't overstretched. Cost was about $10 including some other work I had them do and it really reset my opinion of the shoes, so much more comfortable, and now I can imagine getting a tight pair for vertical sport climbing that would be as good as Muiras or Anasazis that people would usually do.

Get the fit lengthwise that you want then stretch them out width wise!

Jon Rhoderick wrote:I used to hate TC pros, they were too narrow and hurt my pinky toes just like you Mike Again. I went to my local cobbler and had him stretch the outside toe box right where it hurt the most, trying it on to make sure they didn't overstretched. Cost was about $10 including some other work I had them do and it really reset my opinion of the shoes, so much more comfortable, and now I can imagine getting a tight pair for vertical sport climbing that would be as good as Muiras or Anasazis that people would usually do. Get the fit lengthwise that you want then stretch them out width wise!

great idea.

Rich zz:

"just my personal rant that's not relevant to this discussion. there is a correlation. this person has gone through their whole life not bothering to fix an easy spelling mistake so that they can communicate better. it's the mentality of that person i don't want to climb with. i can see how this could translate into climbing where building specific things like anchors can mean life or death."

I'll second your inability to follow your own rule. Dim that you assumed all that BS about some guy you likely don't know. ASSumptions Dick...ASSumptions. Sherman actually contributes to the site. Maybe his phone auto corrected and caused the one spelling error but I won't assume. Think! Especially when typing in lower case. It may affect your belay.

Tony!...I was climbing in blue Kauks last week in the valley also! Love those shoes.

Carry on.

SRB25 wrote:Rich zz: "just my personal rant that's not relevant to this discussion. there is a correlation. this person has gone through their whole life not bothering to fix an easy spelling mistake so that they can communicate better. it's the mentality of that person i don't want to climb with. i can see how this could translate into climbing where building specific things like anchors can mean life or death." I'll second your inability to follow your own rule. Dim that you assumed all that BS about some guy you likely don't know. ASSumptions Dick...ASSumptions. Sherman actually contributes to the site. Maybe his phone auto corrected and caused the one spelling error but I won't assume. Think! Especially when typing in lower case. It may affect your belay. Tony!...I was climbing in blue Kauks last week in the valley also! Love those shoes. Carry on.

sea every1 agrees w me. lack of atenshun 2 detale effects many aspects of ones lyfe. im looking 4 climing partners btw. any1 wanna climb w me?

Does anyone get blisters on their heels from TC Pros?

BigB had some great advice about cutting the rubber in the heel. It worked and my tendon doesn't swell but now I get blisters. Any advice guys?

I wear 46 street shoes, hikers and boots. 44 Muira VS and my 43.5 Mythos stretched out too much.

Mauricio Herrera Cuadra wrote: I'm 44.5 in Miura VS, 43.5 in TC Pros.

I believe you, but I wear 44.5 in Miura VS for one pitch comfort and TCs in 45 for all day comfort.

My expectation for TCs is that they smear and jam comfortably in cracks with laces not too tight. Also that they edge well with laces tight.

Everyone's feet are different as are expectations and technique. There just don't seem to be general rules for this sort of thing.

Bill Kirby wrote: Does anyone get blisters on their heels from TC Pros?

Very much so after long days but my current pair is sized pretty tight. Love the shoes but the heel rub makes me want for something else.

NickO wrote: Very much so after long days but my current pair is sized pretty tight. Love the shoes but the heel rub makes me want for something else.

Think I should size up to 44.5? I had a pair 44.5 Muira VS and they got sloppy.

Tapas wrote: I believe you, but I wear 44.5 in Miura VS for one pitch comfort and TCs in 45 for all day comfort. My expectation for TCs is that they smear and jam comfortably in cracks with laces not too tight. Also that they edge well with laces tight. Everyone's feet are different as are expectations and technique. There just don't seem to be general rules for this sort of thing.

That used to be my setup as well, until I discovered the 45 in TCs stretched way too much after a whole season in the alpine. I have friends who can climb edges pretty well in broken-in TCs; that just doesn't work out well for me. I'm a big dude and definitely require better "platform" support in the feet to be able to stand in the tiniest holds. I agree with you, there's no general rule at all.

mike again wrote:Super helpful, if not 100% consistent, info on this thread - thanks to all for weighing in! I'll try the 41.5s and see how they break in. @Nick Drake - what size Katana Lace ended up working well for you? I'm interested in trying a pair of those as well, in the not too distant future.

I have two pairs in 41.5. I'm happy with the size for most styles of climbing up to the mid 11 grades. I can wiggle my small toes some, which I like for jamming. Outside edging suffers, if I need very small edging (smith even at low grades) they would need to be fit tighter.

Rich zz wrote: sea every1 agrees w me. lack of atenshun 2 detale effects many aspects of ones lyfe. im looking 4 climing partners btw. any1 wanna climb w me?

Ah, this is the kind of climbing partner I'm looking for. Petty and combative. Their their, don't get too worked up

Bill Kirby wrote: Does anyone get blisters on their heels from TC Pros? BigB had some great advice about cutting the rubber in the heel. It worked and my tendon doesn't swell but now I get blisters. Any advice guys?

Pre-tape the area that gets blisters - that's from rubbing, not pressure.
Cotton tape is OK, but the silky-smooth stuff that they use (teflon-like) to hold on IV wires and EEG lines and such (not the sticky waterproof crap) is really much better. Anyway, any tape that is non-irritating that will let your shoe rub on the tape instead of your skin.

And I have Bony heals, and the answer was "yes, but then I taped."