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Cigarettes and climbing courtesy.

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 276

I'm not sure, but I think I have a photo of Owen. So many things in our environment that can harm him:

Bubble Boy

Get well, soon, Owen. Maybe we can play catch someday.

yukonjack · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 15
owen david wrote: Wow, so tempting. I do like a good compromise. Make it 10 ft. since that was the tolerance minimum. Can I throw in a 15 ft. clause for children as they are more at risk from 2nd hand? If so you've got yourself a consensus! I like this guy.
"tolerance minimum"?

who's tolerance?

if it's not ok with you, it's not ok, right?

isn't that your point?
Disaster Franklin · · Los Angeles, CA · Joined May 2013 · Points: 30
owen david wrote: ... every time someone lights up next to me they're intentionally putting me in harms way.
fun police

Back off fun pig! You wanna fun arrest me? You better get a fun-fucking-warrant!
Ryan M Moore · · Philadelphia, PA · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 35

Tentative Guidelines for Etiquette concerning Smoking and Climbing:
1. If you smoke within 6 feet of a non-smoker you are being rude and inconsiderate.
2. If you smoke where prohibited due to fire bans, or near flammable material in an area where prohibited or a fire could spread, you are being rude, irresponsible and inconsiderate.
3. If you do not take your cigarette butts with you, you're an asshole litterer.
4. It is not rude to ask a smoker within 10 feet of you to stop smoking or move further away.
5. It is rude to ask a smoker greater than 10 feet away from you to stop smoking.
6. It is demeaning to yourself to fake cough when a smoker is greater than 10 feet away from you in an effort to skirt the aforementioned rules through passive-aggressive behavior.
7. First female ascents are fine, as are events like Chicks with nuts.
8. These rules apply to the time a person begins to smoke a cigarette, if a person is smoking when you arrive, it is the non-smokers obligation to remain at whatever distance they feel comfortable at. Once the cigarette is completed one may move within whatever distance you wish and the rules apply if the smoker wishes to smoke again.
9. Rule #8 does not apply to anchors on multi-pitch routes. If you are following another party and crowding their ledge while they lead belay the next pitch, they may do as they please.
10. Rule #9 does not apply if the first party is eating lunch at the belay.

I did not include the rules pertaining to children as there are debates ongoing as to whether they are allowed at the crag at all and if they are, do they need to be leashed. Once there is consensus reached on said topics then they will be dealt with under this piece of mountain project legislation.
I also threw in some pork barrel legislation pertaining to other issues because that's how we do things in America. The bill is submitted for your proposed changes and/or additions. Owen you have the floor.

Disaster Franklin · · Los Angeles, CA · Joined May 2013 · Points: 30
BigFeet wrote: Are we going to page 20? Stick around to find out!
safe space

Owen and I will be in here if you guys need us.
yukonjack · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2015 · Points: 15

..point of order for Mr. Moore...

shall non-smokers wear identifying marks? or should we all assume that if you're not smoking at the crag, you're in the non-smoker protected class?

something like this?

Ryan M Moore · · Philadelphia, PA · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 35

No need for patches, the auro of coolness which emanates from us will be indicator enough.

Edit: misread your post. Persons will be assumed to be a non-smoker unless observed smoking, or give off an aura of extreme coolness which will identify them as a smoker.

Disaster Franklin · · Los Angeles, CA · Joined May 2013 · Points: 30
yukonjack wrote:..point of order for Mr. Moore... shall non-smokers wear identifying marks? or should we all assume that if you're not smoking at the crag, you're in the non-smoker protected class?
You know who else was into identifying marks, and hated smoking and free speech?

Adolf Hitler
K R · · Morrison, CO · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 0

Only 9 pages to get the first Holocaust joke...well played Gentleman.

Disaster Franklin · · Los Angeles, CA · Joined May 2013 · Points: 30
Hobo Greg wrote: He may have hated smoking but I heard he had a fondness for ashes.
Jesus...Christ...

Can't wait for the HuffPo article: "Negro-Gate and Nicotine: REI co op subsidiary a haven for drug addicts, white supremacists."
BigFeet · · Texas · Joined May 2014 · Points: 385

Starting to like this guy ^^^

Great observation, Disaster - still laughing here.

Be careful, you have talent with headlines and someone may want to try to hire/pull you to the dark side.

Merlin · · Grand Junction · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 10
Hobo Greg wrote: He may have hated smoking but I heard he had a fondness for ashes.
Disaster is funny, you're a piece of shit.
Taylor Owen Brooks · · Los Angeles, Ca · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 45
BigB wrote: So the take-away from this thread is ... if your gunna smoke do it before 40.... Or..... Yer Gunna DIE!!!
Well said.
...good place to end it.
My sincere apologies to anyone offended unintentionally.

allergic reaction to cigarette smoke.
Cigarettes contain 4,000 chemicals, of which 69 are cancer-causing agents that irritate the throat, airways and lungs. These chemicals and noxious particles cause inflammation of the airways leading to the lungs, as well as an influx of immune cells to the airways. Neutrophils, mast cells, CD8+ T cells and macrophages are immune cells that migrate to the walls and space within the airways, as well as the lungs, during an allergic reaction to cigarette smoke. These immune cells initiate and perpetuate the immune response by causing the release of histamine and other immune mediators into the airways. The release of histamine results in the signs and symptoms associated with an allergic reaction to cigarette smoke.
CRAG-list-KILLA · · Wisconsin · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 205

Wow over smoking outdoors... Crazy and some people claim I need meds... :) You gunna cry when I light up a joint fatter than your dick as well?!?

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 276
owen david wrote: Well said. ...good place to end it. My sincere apologies to anyone offended unintentionally. allergic reaction to cigarette smoke. Cigarettes contain 4,000 chemicals, of which 69 are cancer-causing agents that irritate the throat, airways and lungs. These chemicals and noxious particles cause inflammation of the airways leading to the lungs, as well as an influx of immune cells to the airways. Neutrophils, mast cells, CD8+ T cells and macrophages are immune cells that migrate to the walls and space within the airways, as well as the lungs, during an allergic reaction to cigarette smoke. These immune cells initiate and perpetuate the immune response by causing the release of histamine and other immune mediators into the airways. The release of histamine results in the signs and symptoms associated with an allergic reaction to cigarette smoke.
Just what we want and need - education on the dangers of smoking.
CRAG-list-KILLA · · Wisconsin · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 205
Benj84 wrote:Lets be real about the science of second hand smoke, it is extremely dangerous after long periods of exposure in enclosed areas. Brief exposure in the open air is not a danger, it is an irritation. Something irritates you so much you have the right to tell a stranger not to do it in public. Does that fall in line with the categorical imperative? I came to the crag with the expectation of silence, am I within my prerogative to ask you to put your cell phone on silent? to not talk with your climbing partner? to not rack hexes? what if it reaaaaaly bugs me? how far are we willing to take this? Are my sensibilities your responsibilities? If they're throwing their butts on the ground they clearly need a good talking to. If someone is chainsmoking 2 feet away from you and blowing the smoke in your direction, or blasting techno from their boombox, they are being agressively dumb and of course you have every right to ask them to stop, unless they're total assweasels they will. On the other hand if someone is talking to their partner about the football game or smoking a cigarette 30 feet away from your party, and that just bothers you so much you can't stand it, of course you have every right to go and ask them to put it out or to use inside voices , if you ask nicely they might even comply. However if you frame it in a way that displays as much self richteous indignation and victim complex as some of the "yes" votes I've been reading; they may out of fear of a potentially unstable individual do what you ask. Just don't be surprised if they scoff at at you and continue to engange in the behavior despite the fact that it irritates you, because your outrage is totally disproportional to the offense which provoked it and no rational person would take it seriously on moral grounds.
Epic
Disaster Franklin · · Los Angeles, CA · Joined May 2013 · Points: 30
Hobo Greg wrote: Oh cmon I legit thought that one up myself!
I laughed, but it was more of a nervous laughter.
Taylor Owen Brooks · · Los Angeles, Ca · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 45

Tentative Guidelines for Etiquette concerning Smoking and Climbing:
9. Rule #8 does not apply to anchors on multi-pitch routes. .

You are a problem solver, Ryan.

It seems like children merit special conditions and you propose leaving them out? Infants, toddlers, and young people up to 14 would be an acceptable age range to provide an extra buffer zone. What say you?

Multi-pitch: I was belaying a friend up the third pitch of Fairview Dome. Three European climbers passed my friend and arrived at the anchor next to me. Their leader (early 50's, no shirt, long grey mane) and his 15-16 year old girl friend proceeded to passionately make out and the three smoked cigarettes while waiting for the above party to make progress. It was a sweaty, smokey mess. How would that play out under the guidelines you proposed?

simplyput . · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 60
owen david wrote:Tentative Guidelines for Etiquette concerning Smoking and Climbing: 9. Rule #8 does not apply to anchors on multi-pitch routes. . You are a problem solver, Ryan. It seems like children merit special conditions and you propose leaving them out? Infants, toddlers, and young people up to 14 would be an acceptable age range to provide an extra buffer zone. What say you? Multi-pitch: I was belaying a friend up the third pitch of Fairview Dome. Three European climbers passed my friend and arrived at the anchor next to me. Their leader (early 50's) and his 15-16 year old girl friend proceeded to passionately make out and the three smoked cigarettes while waiting for the above party to make progress. It was a sweaty, smokey mess. How would that play out under the guidelines you proposed?
Wait.
All three sex crazed, chain smoking Euros passed your single follower?
Seems like the solution remains: Harden up, the both of ya.
Taylor Owen Brooks · · Los Angeles, Ca · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 45
simplyput wrote: Wait. All three sex crazed, chain smoking Euros passed your single follower? Seems like the solution remains: Harden up, the both of ya.
They had an 80m and were linking everything. Their leader was yelling at the two followers the whole time to hurry up. We were happy to let them pass. We caught up with them at the next belay and they were chain smoking so I guess that would be ok?

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