Dog incident at Gunks 12/12

Our dog is generally a good crag dog: not aggressive, mellow, doesn't run off, etc. we have even left her at the base while multipitching with no issue. Then one day at the Leap, we were a couple pitches up and heard her start barking. There was a party approaching the base of the climb we were on and for some reason Scout wasn't feeling them. Being obedient, it only took me yelling at her (even from a 200ft up) a couple times to get her to shut up and lay back down. Even though this was a minor issue, Scout no longer comes to the crag unless we're sport climbing at an obscure, crowd-less crag. Risking injury, lawsuit or ranchers firearms is not worth having the dog with us.

That video is hilarious, thank you

tim wrote:That video is hilarious, thank you

Yet, sadly, is exactly how many crag dogs and their owners behave.

Marc801 wrote: Yet, sadly, is exactly how many crag dogs and their owners behave.

Yeah, yeah. We get it. Dogs can be annoying. Kinda stupid video, making an obvious point.
Dog haters- you have a right to not be bothered by other people's dogs.
Dog owners- don't take your dogs anywhere you can't have them 100% under control.
Pretty simple stuff that doesn't need 6 pages of discussion

cragman2 wrote: Yeah, yeah. We get it. Dogs can be annoying. Kinda stupid video, making an obvious point.

If it were that obvious, then why is there a new thread about dogs at the crags every few months? Why do some dog owners keep acting like imbeciles?

cragman2 wrote:Dog haters- you have a right to not be bothered by other people's dogs. Dog owners- don't take your dogs anywhere you can't have them 100% under control. Pretty simple stuff that doesn't need 6 pages of discussion

Yeah, pretty simple, but regularly ignored. I think if you did a search for dog at the crag threads you'd get a lot more than 6 pages - more like 306. It continues to be an issue despite how obvious and simple the solutions are.

Marc801 wrote: If it were that obvious, then why is there a new thread about dogs at the crags every few months? Why do some dog owners keep acting like imbeciles? Yeah, pretty simple, but regularly ignored. I think if you did a search for dog at the crag threads you'd get a lot more than 6 pages - more like 306. It continues to be an issue despite how obvious and simple the solutions are.

Yes- simple and obvious. But, like many things in this life, it typically falls on deaf ears.
Discussing it ad nauseam on MP probably does very little to change anyone's lack of consideration for others, as evidenced by the "306 pages".

Marc801 wrote: Yet, sadly, is exactly how many crag dogs and their owners behave.

Sadly, that is how many people behave, regardless of having a dog. Could be a kid, or music, or their language, the list goes on and on. Ironically, a seriously aggressive dog could solve most of these a fore mentioned problems.

The real solution to this dog problem is a culling of the human population. If we could cull about half the human heard, most of the endless bitching about first world problems on this site would cease immediately as the competition for resources would be reduced to a reasonable level.

Where is the epidemic when you need it?

J Q wrote: Sadly, that is how many people behave, regardless of having a dog. Could be a kid, or music, or their language, the list goes on and on. Ironically, a seriously aggressive dog could solve most of these a fore mentioned problems. The real solution to this dog problem is a culling of the human population. If we could cull about half the human heard, most of the endless bitching about first world problems on this site would cease immediately as the competition for resources would be reduced to a reasonable level. Where is the epidemic when you need it?

Scary that this is your solution to the "dog problem"...

J Q wrote: Could be a kid, or music, or their language, the list goes on and on.

None of these things bite, do they?

Tim Lutz wrote: You haven't heard much dubstep huh? some scars don't show bro.

LOL. Yeah, that kinda bites too....

Nick Goldsmith wrote:Entilement to not get harassed or bit by someone elses dog or is it entitlement to think you can bring your dog anywheres you want regardless of its behavior......

If you can't figure that one out...

simply depends on which side of the argument you are on............

J Q wrote:
Could be a kid, or music, or their language, the list goes on and on.

Captain Z wrote: None of these things bite, do they?

Don't believe irresponsible kid owners. Those things can BITE!

The Mohonk Preserve is disgracefully dishonest about this. They know perfectly well that dogs aren't kept on leashes and that dogs attack climbers, but they refuse to do anything about it.
I've been bitten twice.
There have also been many times that dogs that are tied to trees would obviously attack anyone walking by if the person got too close.
It is also common to leash dogs to a tree so that the dog is lying in the footpath at the base of the cliff, which makes a mockery of leashing.
If enough people complain about dogs, maybe in the end either (1) owners of unleashed dogs will be fined or banned from the Preserve, or (2) dogs will be banned, which is the best, and most humane, thing to do. After all, it took years of complaints about lack of rappel anchors, but finally many anchors have been placed on popular climbs . . . maybe complaints about dogs will be heeded too.

Nick Goldsmith wrote:simply depends on which side of the argument you are on............

Only an asshole would argue that it is appropriate for someone else to get bit so that they can enjoy the compnay of their 4-legged friend...

For those leaving their food out or easily accessible in the outdoors, you all deserve your food to be eaten.

Just because we killed all the real nature, that doesn't mean you can leave your peanut butter sammy out for animals to eat; it doesn't matter if it is a dog, squirrel, bird, or bear.

It's like the dogs are teaching you all a lesson your mom should have taught you but didn't cause you grew up in a city.

Let's not lump CHILDREN into this. Such snobbery. My son deserves to be at the crag just as much as anyone. And of course ANYONE with a belay tag is dangerous - or maybe they are just following the rules at their climbing gym and didn't get the memo that it's "cool" to take it off. Bunch of elitist pricks.

J Q wrote:For those leaving their food out or easily accessible in the outdoors, you all deserve your food to be eaten. Just because we killed all the real nature, that doesn't mean you can leave your peanut butter sammy out for animals to eat; it doesn't matter if it is a dog, squirrel, bird, or bear. It's like the dogs are teaching you all a lesson your mom should have taught you but didn't cause you grew up in a city.

I leave sandwiches out to distract aggressive dogs from biting me. Btw, it's not "city" raised humans that are the problem, it's city raised dogs. You ever see those cowering dogs that ranchers own, the ones terrified of being kicked to death by their owners for even slight misbehavior? Those dogs won't take a sandwich. I actually like those dogs.

tim wrote:Btw, it's not "city" raised humans that are the problem, it's city raised dogs. You ever see those cowering dogs that ranchers own, the ones terrified of being kicked to death by their owners for even slight misbehavior? Those dogs won't take a sandwich. I actually like those dogs.

Because the behavior of abused animals is so predictable.