Black diamond cyborgs
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Anyone use them? While I'd love some general feedback and reviews, I'm specifically interested in how easy (or not easy) it is easy to swap between the mono and dual front points. I've been reading and apparently you have to take a hacksaw to the anti-bot plates. Can anyone speak to this? |
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Cutting through the anti-bot plates isn't difficult; they're fairly soft and they're scored where you need to cut them. But here's what Black Diamond doesn't tell you: |
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The cyborgs DO come with the bolt and spacer kit to turn them into mono-points out of the box. They also include the allen wrench and open end wrench for the nut. |
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AKM1878 wrote:The cyborgs DO come with the bolt and spacer kit to turn them into mono-points out of the box. They also include the allen wrench and open end wrench for the nut. If you didn't get them in the box then you either misplaced them, or they forgot to put them in the box... There was a point in time when they didn't come with spacers. A friend of mine bought a pair (stainless clip) and was surprised to see that no mono kit came with the package. He called BD, and they said that's correct and he needed to order the spacer kit separately. A couple bucks at the hardware store and my friend had what he needed without giving an extra dime to BD. Hopefully Black Diamond has stopped this stupid practice. |
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I have Cyborgs for when I need duals. I set my wife's Cyborgs up last season with a monopoint and it was a breeze. You don't need a hacksaw. I used sheet metal shears. I have heard the bolts will loosen if you keep swapping mono then dual and then back to mono. I think the BD Cyborgs are a good choice for a do it all crampon... especially for the money. |
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The problem with hack-sawing the ABS is that if you switch back to dual points. Then you've got a hole for snow to bail up in. I got some of this stuff and the first thing I did with it was make a stopper for the hole in the ABS plates made from going mono, and it works like a dream |
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Anyone have a photo of their monopoint cyborgs they can post? I'm looking at BD's basic directions and want to make sure I'm doing it right... seems like it shouldn't be that difficult but I wanna make sure I'm cutting the correct way. |
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I know alot of people are liking the option to go from dual to mono and are complaining about the lack of hardware... well I hits got the petzl lynx which you can do dual or mono and come with all the tools and hardware to do so. Just food for thought |
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Chris Weber wrote:Anyone have a photo of their monopoint cyborgs they can post? I'm looking at BD's basic directions and want to make sure I'm doing it right... seems like it shouldn't be that difficult but I wanna make sure I'm cutting the correct way. thanksNo, but it would be pretty hard to mess up. Cut it where the tooth is going to go. That's it. |
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Did you remove the anti-balling plate? if not, the black plastic sleeve that covers the dual point screw holder needs to come out to go mono, it seems. BD site doesn't show cutting that whole piece out, which is confusing. |
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Chris Weber wrote:Did you remove the anti-balling plate? if not, the black plastic sleeve that covers the dual point screw holder needs to come out to go mono, it seems. BD site doesn't show cutting that whole piece out, which is confusing. blackdiamondequipment.com/o… If I cut out that whole black plastic area (that protects the dual point screw), then I could use the screw and spacers. Like I saw the directions on the site just show 1 narrower cut that doesn't deal with that.I am so very confused as to what the problem is. You don't need to cut anything out, except the slot for the mono point. The plastic "slots" for the dual points have nothing to do with the spacers whatsoever. Just leave them and keep using the bot plate. |
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Slightly off topic, and obviously more expensive, but I own the Lynx. They come with everything you need, and easily switch between dual and mono point. Worth checking out. |
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Shoo (and more importantly anyone else who might need future help)- |
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Maybe they've stopped including them, but every pair of cyborgs I've purchased has come with the spacer kit for mono points. I typically convert them immediately, leaving an extra set of front points for future use. |
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Mono's rule. I have a pair of stingers and they are amazing. |
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Derek--the ones I got come with the spacers...I still needed to take the steps above. |
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Glad you got it sorted out, Chris. That is indeed the standard procedure for switching over to mono point on the Cyborg. |
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I just converted mine and took pictures along the way. If people are interested, here's a link. I will add more text tomorrow. |
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I found on my recent experience today that I had to also remove the toe bail to be able to remove the plastic ABS plate |