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Why throw ropes for rappel?

M Mobley · · Bar Harbor, ME · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 911
Locker wrote:"Not sure how we got to the "falling" thing". I went off on a tangent.
it was the glue talking?
EricSchmidt · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 0
Ryan Williams wrote:I've always wondered why people insist on throwing their rope(s) down when they are about to rappel. It makes more sense to me to lower them.
Ryan Williams wrote:I do actually throw the ropes when I am on anything low angled or if there is a chance that I could be lowering the ends into a rope eating crack.
Great... thanks for answering your own question. Can we move on now?
3dayson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 0
Locker wrote:Do it any fucking way you want. Me? I'm throwing that fucker like there's no tomorrow. And on that note. What's this BULLSHIT where people get mad at you if you don't saying, "Falling", when falling? Here's some news. If you have the time to say, "Falling", you fucking probably let go intentionally. Over and out!
I intentionally fall some times and say falling before I do. But next time I will say "letting go intentionally".
jmeizis · · Colorado Springs, CO · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 230
Marc H wrote: Also, I've noticed most people lap coil the rope before throwing it which is more likely to get tangled on the way down. A mountaineers coil (circular) comes apart much cleaner.
Weird, I've had the exact opposite experience.
EricSchmidt · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 0

But you obviously have time to monitor every post on mountain project for any comments I make and then reply with a witty comeback or perhaps a homemade picture... Kinda sad, no? Don't let yourself get to infatuated with a troll.

Again, stalker...

Turd Ferguson! · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 0
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Marc H · · Longmont, CO · Joined May 2007 · Points: 265
jmeizis wrote:Weird, I've had the exact opposite experience.
Throw a lap coil on the ground next to a mountaineer's coil and then belay with them. The mountaineer's coil will come off cleaner 9/10 times. The same thing happens in the air.
EricSchmidt · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 0
Turd Ferguson! wrote: Thanks for the compliment, Schmidtiot! You know, if you weren't such an ass all the time I wouldn't have to mercilessly make fun of you. Your pathetic comebacks and amazingly stupid, yet cock-sure posts sometimes make me feel like I am kicking a retarded child...oh wait, it is all starting to make sense now.
Right.... Again, you realize you are letting a troll get you worked up, correct?

Glad you have time to create memes for a random internet troll... Haha I win!!
Marc H · · Longmont, CO · Joined May 2007 · Points: 265
Jeff J wrote:Its completly situational. In my area, the climb is steeper than the decent. the decent is useuly like a 5.5/6 and lowering a rope down such a ramp would create a tangled mess of spegetti. So throwing the rope out makes for a lot less mess on the decent. But if the rap is steep and there is little risk of snags than by all means lower the rope.
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Phil Esra · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 100

Interesting about the mountaineer's coil. I haven't done one of those in a loooong time. Does the twist not create any problems?

I thought the first Turd comment about EricSchmidt was the most entertaining post on this thread, personally.

Turd Ferguson! · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 0
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Turd Ferguson! · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 0
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EricSchmidt · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 0
Turd Ferguson! wrote:Blah blah blah this troll got me so worked up I had to reply twice!!
John D · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 10
Locker wrote:Do it any fucking way you want. Me? I'm throwing that fucker like there's no tomorrow. And on that note. What's this BULLSHIT where people get mad at you if you don't saying, "Falling", when falling? Here's some news. If you have the time to say, "Falling", you fucking probably let go intentionally. Over and out!
Hahaha, I don't think I've ever yelled falling, I have yelled, "oh shiiiiiiitttttttt" a few times
EricSchmidt · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 0
Turd Ferguson! wrote:BWAHAHAHA! You got so angry, EricSchmidt, you started flagging my posts!?!?!? Hahaha, now that is a pathetically weak move. You gonna tell on me about this post, too?
I didn't flag shit... Not sure why you think the mods would listen to me anyway or why I would even care enough to flag your posts.

Anyway keep letting a troll get you all worked up. Maybe you will reply THREE times to this comment? yawn....
Buff Johnson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2005 · Points: 1,145

Harpoon toss -- works for me no problem.

Although I've saddlebagged doubles when I can't tell if someone might be climbing up; if only by some off the wall chance.

EricSchmidt · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 0
Turd Ferguson! wrote: Come on, EricSchmidt, man up a little. Just like how you started emailing me about being angry because I was making fun of you, I'm sure you went through flagging all the posts that caused you to shed a tear. Try not to be such a little whiner when you get butt hurt. And how is that ignoring me going? Remember that rant when you got so angry about being heckled you said you were never going to respond to me again?
Time to get over yourself... and maybe find something better to do than let a troll get ya all worked up! Night lover ;)
mattm · · TX · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 1,885

Situationally dependent. I actually learned a slick way to do it from a partner. Rather than lower the end of the rope or toss the whole thing which both have issues i do this: stack the rope in a pile with the ends on top. You can make a pile for each side of the rope if you want. Take each end and make a "softball" at the end by wrapping the rope around itself for a few feet. You now have a "weight" you can toss that will pull the rope down behind it. Toss it out far or at a specific point to avoid a hang up. The softball should pull the rope down cleanly behind it. It's kind of a combo lower and toss at the same time. I use other methods as well but this one works great a lot of the time. The ball has less of a tendency to get hung up vs the narrow rope end while lowering

Marc H · · Longmont, CO · Joined May 2007 · Points: 265
Phil Esra wrote:Interesting about the mountaineer's coil. I haven't done one of those in a loooong time.
I haven't carried one in a while either. But next time you coil a rope to throw it, try it. It comes off much cleaner than a lap coil. I'll bet ya a beer.

Will S.. wrote:Can you two just get it over with and pound each other? This flirting is lame.
Let us know who wins.
Phil Esra · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 100
Marc H wrote: I haven't carried one in a while either. But next time you coil a rope to throw it, try it. It comes off much cleaner than a lap coil. I'll bet ya a beer. Let us know who wins.
I can picture the mtnrs coil coming off cleanly--that makes sense. It must take a little longer to coil though? If I just casually stack the rope, no twist, but paying just enough attention to avoid aligning loops with each other, I get a pretty clean toss. Every once in a while I get a tangle downstream, but shaking it out on rap has never gotten too complicated.

I guess my question is this--I got away from the mtnrs coil (on the ground, at a belay, for example) because that twist always seemed to come back to haunt me, in the form of a tangled rope while lead belaying. And it also took longer to do than a more casual flake. But that was a long time ago, and i've gotten better at rope handling in the intervening years. Do I need to revisit? What do you do with the rope when you're flaking/stacking/coiling at a belay?

cheers.
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