Castlewood Canyon Rock-fall (Cliff-fall)
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I was running around at Castlewood today and noticed that the cliff, climbers left, of Morning Sun Wall had calved off and tumbled down the hill. The section right before the draw. |
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Garrick- that happened this Summer. We've been wondering what happened, as that was an explosive rockfall, but the cliff there was maybe only 20' high. Everywhere else in the canyon, the blocks just seem to sort of slough off and slide a little downhill. But this thing went with a boom. |
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I'm curious; what is an explosive rockfall? Thanks, Jane |
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AKA: Crublewood Canyon |
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Chosslewood Canyon? Can't believe this happened! |
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Saw this the other day (1st time in castlewood in quite some time) and was curious as to what happened as it looked massive from across the canyon. Crazy how it appears to have been a major wall explosion and not just a few pieces peeling off. |
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^^^^See what I mean, Jane? That was a relatively short section of cliff, but the debris field is huge and goes right up to the base. There was no real vertical footage for the falling block to explode like that, it was already on the ground. Something happened here that caused -for lack of better terms- an explosion. Chosswood does not have any debris/talus fields like the one that was made here. Plenty of boulders, some huge, that have calved off the rimrock and tumbled downhill; but mostly intact. |
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Thanks, Mike. I'm not sure what you mean by this sentence "There was no real vertical footage for the falling block to explode like that, it was already on the ground." |
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Jane- excuse any incoherencies from me, I am recovering from a serious heart event last week and and not really all together 100%. |
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I'm a geo engineer type. |
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while it may look explosive, from what it looks, nothing special needs to happen to make that happen. When rocks fail and fall, they can crush and break into smaller pieces like that pretty easily. Water may have been a contributing factor, but a large build up of pressure behind a fault that is at the surface (and next to a cliff face) seems very unlikely. |
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Mikey Lane, is this the same area we crossed a couple months ago? I hope you are doing well. |
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Yes it is T. Maybe you can vouch for how bizarre this event was, not typical erosion or rockfall for this place at all. |
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Look at the block size of the failures. Yes, they can break into smaller pieces, but the sizes of the failures are significantly smaller. Granted "explosive" is a bit misleading. In addition, look at the nature of the cliff face - no sharp quartz and feldspars - they have been weathered to smaller grain sizes. Also note the tree root growing along the discontinuity. When a stream removes material, discontinuities/joints tend to form parallel to the stream as the removed material no longer exerts a horizontal pressure (note the fracture orientations still visible on the wall). Water can build along the parallel fractures. A significant inflow of water can occur, as well as a buildup of pressure, especially with clay filling up the fractures. The pressure buildup doesn't have to be super large - just enough to send the factor of safety above one and allow for failure. Also, look at how the failure corresponds to the bend in the river. Ben Beard wrote:while it may look explosive, from what it looks, nothing special needs to happen to make that happen. When rocks fail and fall, they can crush and break into smaller pieces like that pretty easily. Water may have been a contributing factor, but a large build up of pressure behind a fault that is at the surface (and next to a cliff face) seems very unlikely. If you look at the pictures, there are other boulders and debris from past failures that go right down to the slope to the same distance. |
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This is really interesting. I have to get out there to see it! There are NO faults in the area (see map excerpt below; the Castlewood Conglomerate is light purple marked Tcr). There are many open fractures parallel to and behind the cliff face and orthogonal sets connecting those to the cliff face (big enough to crawl inside) so I doubt water could build up to cause the instability (and it was an extraordinarily dry year). The Castlewood conglomerate is a broad alluvial fan that incorporates clasts (cobbles down to silt and clay size) from the mountains to the west, including Idaho Springs metamorphics, Pikes Peak Batholith (K feldspar granites), Silver Plume (Al-An Granites), even Pennsylvanian Fountain formation red arkosic cobbles. The Caslewood alluvial system incised into the Dawson Sandstone and Wall Creek Volcanic Tuff, adding lots of clay and volcanic cobbles to the mix. The Morning Sun area has always felt a little hollow and unstable, and the unweathered rock in the photos looks very clay rich. The roots and maybe expansive clay may have had something to do with it, but it has been a dry year. Very cool (as long as I wasnt climbing it at the time) |
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Consider your map scale and level of detail. You sound like a geologist - would you want to put your name on a baseline report stating there are no faults due to that map interpretation? I'd want to take a look at it in the field. Edit - though I should state that it doesn't have to be a fault, just some sort of discontinuity. Good point. Greg Twombly wrote:There are NO faults in the area |
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I say that having verified the geology in the map, walked the outcrop on the canyon rim and climbed there many times. I didnt see evidence of offset on any of the fractures in any part of the canyon but one. There is some offset in the Castlewood Conglomerate, but not in the underlying Dawson, at Canyon Point, but that seems to be gravitational offset of the Castlewood when the Dawson is undercut. That may be what happened here, since the slope below the cliff was steep and the Dawson is not well lithified. Water may have played a role, but the Castlewood is very high permeability (Darcy level rather that milliDarcy) and I havent seen water in the open joints when crawling around there (except ice in the winter). The nearby Cave Wall (to the north) has a chimney entrance to the Cave. The Chimney entrance is at the intersection of face parallel and face purpendicular joint sets, again too open to allow water to build up. |
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Mike Lane wrote:...My prognosis is a bit sketchy, btw. Been told to have my affairs in order, just in case.Are you at risk of exploding like that cliff face? |
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Ryan Marsters wrote:Consider your map scale and level of detail. You sound like a geologist - would you want to put your name on a baseline report stating there are no faults due to that map interpretation? I'd want to take a look at it in the field. Edit - though I should state that it doesn't have to be a fault, just some sort of discontinuity. Good point. I do like the depositional subenvironment suggestion too though. Could be a weaker deposit, which leads to the drainage location in the first place. Also, yes, I'll still maintain that water can build up behind the fractures enough to cause failure. We've got plenty of case studies for it.It is highly plausible that some water/weathering and pore pressure could have contributed to the failure. "Explosive" levels, less likely. There is no question that the rocks failed. Trying to prove some "explosive" force for the failure, good luck. Anyone check the USGS seismic records? |
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Rednecks from Franktown with a couple cases of M-80's? |
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"Explosive" wasn't my word - I said it was misleading. Ran the thread past a few other geo engineering grad students at Mines and the consensus seems to be increased pore water pressure and water infiltration due to a higher concentration of discontinuities (faults/fractures/joints - unknown without field verification). Doubt seismic had anything to do with it; probably just a period of heavy precipitation. Ben Beard wrote: It is highly plausible that some water/weathering and pore pressure could have contributed to the failure. "Explosive" levels, less likely. There is no question that the rocks failed. Trying to prove some "explosive" force for the failure, good luck. Anyone check the USGS seismic records? |