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For those of you with dogs on climbing trips

Andrew Gram · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 3,725
Greg D wrote: Great story. But to include the words "stick clip" makes you look super gay and loose all credibility. Dustin is a badass climber and sick dog owner.
Trying to insult someone by calling them super gay makes you look like a bigot. Lets retire this "insult" to the dust bin of history.
Elena Sera Jose · · colorado · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 350
Greg D wrote: Great story. But to include the words "stick clip" makes you look super gay and loose all credibility. Dustin is a badass climber and sick dog owner.
are they paying you or what? is Josh a sick cat owner by chance???
Elena Sera Jose · · colorado · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 350
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Dustin's dog
J Q · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 50

Over seven billion people strong and we are blaming the dogs for the problems we have with over crowing. Has anyone considered that owning dogs should be banned period? All they do is take more natural resources from the mouths of what could be more people, and we all know that people are good and dogs are bad.

The theme of this thread is simple: people have rights to have fun in the nature but dogs do not have those rights, ever! At any time there can be people in the nature and because of this dogs should always be on a leash. Dogs ruin the experience of other climbers and hikers and since dogs do this, dogs should be removed from the situation.

Why stop at climbing? Since so many of the posters on this site feel this way a dog ban should be made into law. When your dog eats it's organic food at your pre-fab suburban wanker house, small African children cry. Dogs create waste. They are annoying. Outside of hunting dogs that actually hunt, herding dogs that actually herd, and rescue dogs that live in cages, 99% of dogs have no purpose at all. Why do you keep your waste of a life at home? How does that make it ok to own what amounts to a waste of water, food, air and time? In this world we are all sharing a fixed amount of resources, and your dog is not a person so it is a waste of natural resources.

Either this is true and all dogs should be put to sleep or it isn't true and the on-line bitching wank fest is simply old men venting anger over their own inadequacies. If dogs have a right to exist at all, then their right gives them the authority to be anywhere on this planet.

You don't like dogs? I don't either. However, I also hate you and find your climbing party annoying. Your wife was squeaking like a scared dog when on top-rope. You expected me to fit my behavior to your expectations because you brought your snot nosed kid and he wouldn't shut up. Your dam kids leave their food out all the time and animals get into it. Your beta spray is not only wrong, but also annoying, and it makes me want to punch you in the face. There is nothing good about your company what so ever. At least dogs clean up the human shit problem facing the crags.

Funny, you all seem to have problems with dogs but I know that the problem is really humans. The common denominator is people, not dogs. People who poorly train their dogs. People who don't train their dogs. People who don't care about what other people want. People who want a certain experience but get another. People who were taught from a young age to be self-entitled little twats and expect to have their way all the time. People who have very high expectations for others but very low expectations for themselves. 7 billion self righteous assholes and you all are blaming dogs for the problems at crags? That is amusing.

Dustin B · · Steamboat · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 1,275

Yes, I pay Greg in beer, fine ipa's, so he will attack people on my behalf on MP forums. But i cannot control the non PC things he does, he is like one of those out of control, unleashed crag dogs we keep hearing about. if there are any other mercenaries out there looking for work, feel free to pm me.

Also, that ain't my dog. That's me. I need you to pull that photo please

Jay Samuelson · · Colorado · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 1,896

Hey Evan, I have a german sherpard/malamute mix that I take pretty much everywhere with me. When you have a sled-dog don't underestimate the amount of water they will need, it could easily be a gallon a day if you're at the crag all day in the heat. I've also stopped taking him to crags with no shade, there have been days i've done this and realized halfway through the day heat stroke was a real potential and packed up and left. And in mid-summer I often leave him at home in the air conditioned house instead of taking him out, it's really hard on him to be out in the heat all day. Also with a big dog like that think about the approach, there are many little steps and hops that seem like no big deal until you watch your 100lb dog eat shit trying to get up them.

The only additional training that may be necessary is if your dog whimpers, whines and barks at you while you are climbing. Break them of that shit if they do.

Petsfed 00 · · Snohomish, WA · Joined Mar 2002 · Points: 989
Greg D wrote: Great story. But to include the words "stick clip" makes you look super gay and loose all credibility. Dustin is a badass climber and sick dog owner.
Noted. My point was that I had a six foot pole with which to prosecute my response, and I think the owners of those dogs thought that I just didn't like dogs. We all have hot-head friends who are fixing for a fight. I don't typically climb with mine. I also have friends who carry guns at that crag in particular because the near-constant bear tracks/scat/sightings have left them a bit on edge.

I for one am awfully glad that the dogs picked a fight with a party disinterested in violence. It could've been a lot louder, bloodier, and otherwise far worse than it was. If you have an out-of-control dog, you're rolling the dice every time you go out that the dog doesn't get you into a fight that you can't win.
roger fritz · · Rockford, IL · Joined Aug 2009 · Points: 60

Oh my oh my! This thread cracks me up. I especially like the monkey and dog/human photo's. Hilarious. My gut hurts from laughing!

It is worthy to be considerate of other people. I think I learned that in Kindergarten and am still trying to apply it! "That's all I got to say about that"!

3-more pages to go. Thought I would contribute!

rock-fencer · · Columbia, SC · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 265
Evan Sanders wrote:I can see everyone's point about not bringing a dog, especially to certain areas. Louis, that's some pretty solid advice. Thanks. However, for those that DO bring your dogs, have you had any issues with overheating them on hotter days? I'm especially concerned about that because of the amount of husky traits she has in her. I have a collapsible water bowl and there will be plenty of water for her but I'm wondering if that will be enough.
Just took my yellow lab to Hawksbill up in linville. Brought a full icy gallon up for her for the day. She sat around with my dad most of the day and still blew threw the gallon. Gave her my water. Temps hit low 80's with a gentle breeze.
MaddyM · · Edwards, CO · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 0

Just slip your dog some baby Benadryl so he naps the whole day.

Or leave it at home. Most dogs I've met at crags are not suited to be there. Some could have done well if they'd been trained and cared for while there.

But there's some climbers like that, too.

Evan Sanders · · Westminster, CO · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 140
Jay Samuelson wrote:Hey Evan, I have a german sherpard/malamute mix that I take pretty much everywhere with me. When you have a sled-dog don't underestimate the amount of water they will need, it could easily be a gallon a day if you're at the crag all day in the heat. I've also stopped taking him to crags with no shade, there have been days i've done this and realized halfway through the day heat stroke was a real potential and packed up and left. And in mid-summer I often leave him at home in the air conditioned house instead of taking him out, it's really hard on him to be out in the heat all day. Also with a big dog like that think about the approach, there are many little steps and hops that seem like no big deal until you watch your 100lb dog eat shit trying to get up them. The only additional training that may be necessary is if your dog whimpers, whines and barks at you while you are climbing. Break them of that shit if they do.
Great response, thanks. She's actually not as big as you might think (last time at the vet was 46 pounds, might be the elkhound in her). I've heard from a couple vets that sled dogs actually do better than you might think in the heat because of their double coat (I don't know how many times I've been told not to shave my dog, like i was going to do that anyway), is that not true or is it just exaggerated?

Hopefully this dog hate-fest ends soon, it's not where i intended for this thread to go.
Elena Sera Jose · · colorado · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 350
CJC wrote:don't shave your dog.
I disagree
Elena Sera Jose · · colorado · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 350
Elena Sera Jose wrote: I disagree
I super close clipped my dogs for years and they were grateful for it. RIP.
Evan Sanders · · Westminster, CO · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 140
CJC wrote:don't shave your dog.
Didn't I already say that?
MaddyM · · Edwards, CO · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 0

I would agree that giving dogs a close clip for the summer is something they appreciate, having done it for all of the dogs I have had in my lifetime.

Bob Dobalina · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2009 · Points: 140

I love my dog.
He would rather go along with me anywhere than to stay at home alone. He loves leading the way up the approach trails. He finds a shady spot and just chills out while we climb. He knows not to chew, dig, or bark. He doesn't run around bug others. He knows enough to not even step on the rope!
When other climbers and/or dogs come by, he meets them with friendly attitude and then lays back down near my gear. I have NEVER seen anyone have a problem with him. Ever.
I just got lucky I guess... Finding the ultimate crag dog at the animal shelter.

I have, however, encountered awful dogs and their shitty owners at crags too. So I understand why some folks on here are totally butt-hurt about dogs!

MountainManny · · Idaho Springs · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 820

My general rule is if my dog stops to poop...so do I, even if you are watching...then I graciously hand you an empty poop bag with an over-warming "thanks"..and if you happen to be someone he growls and barks at....then I too growl, bark, and on occasion bite.... Not everyone is a good person, right? ;)

Jay Samuelson · · Colorado · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 1,896

Hey Evan, I've heard that too from various sources. I think the double coat does help, but mine still gets really hot in the summer. He does have a mostly black coat though which doesn't help. As for shaving them, I shaved him once down to the second coat which is grey, and he stayed a lot cooler that summer; he loved it. I haven't done it since because his coat never grew back quite the same, although it did grow back pretty full. I am however probably going to do it again this year, he's older and the heat seems to be bothering him more as he ages.

APBT1976 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2011 · Points: 55

I agree in most cases peoples dogs are nothing more than a reflection of their owner. There is the exception to the rule with dogs just as with humans and disabled or mentally challenged.

I also agree strongly 99.9% of people are giant twats probably myself included. What else would it all be about if not our self ;)

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 276
CJC wrote: its ok if you don't have a husky or other breed of dog w a double coat. shaving a husky is stupid. thought everyone knew that.
Tell us why it's "stupid." Everyone isn't as smart as you.
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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