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City of Boulder Open Space Meeting (December 6, 2010)
Submitted By: John McNamee on Dec 2, 2010

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Greetings Boulder Climbing Community,

You’re invited to attend a public meeting organized by the City of Boulder’s Open Space and Mountain Parks (OSMP) to voice your opinion on trail-usage and access in the Flatirons and Flagstaff.

We are nearing the end of the year-long Community Collaborative Group process for the West Trail Study Area (West TSA). The subsequent plan for the West TSA will dictate use and management of these lands, trails in particular, for ten or more years. The CCG has assembled a list of preliminary recommendations for new trails, closures, reroutes and dog access/restrictions. OSMP will hold a meeting on Monday, December 6, from 6-9pm at the East Boulder Rec Center to present the recommendations and listen to public comment. This meeting will affect your climbing access in the Flatirons and on Flagstaff.

Why should you attend?

--We need to show the City of Boulder that the Boulder climbing community is interested in responsible access to the crags and bouldering areas.
--There is a small but vocal contingency of Boulder citizens who want to severely restrict access to open space. Conservation representatives proposed, for example, to eliminate access to open space from dusk to dawn. They proposed fencing-off the Old Mesa Trail between Eldorado Springs and the Matron. Neither of these proposals was agreed to but the restrictionist mentality is there. Their voices will be heard. We need voices to provide balance.
--If you climb or boulder with your dog, some of your access is at risk. The conservation caucus wants to ban dogs from Dinosaur Mountain. This issue has yet to be settled. Show-up and voice your opinion.

OSMP held a public meeting over a year ago to create the CCG. Of the 200+ people that attended, 17 were climbers.

For more information visit the West TSA website page here. The specific page listing tentative recommendations is here.

The agenda:

1. 6:00 pm to 6:30 pm: Poster session – the public can review posters and maps summarizing CCG agreements. CCG members will be available to answer questions.

2. 6:30 pm to 8:30 pm: Brief presentation on ground rules, goals of the meeting, background of the CCG process, highlights of CCG agreements and what happens next to CCG agreements, non-consensus items, and other issues discussed by the CCG. This will be followed by a facilitated question/answer session and discussion with the public.

3. 8:30 pm to 9:00 pm: Poster session - CCG members available to answer questions and provide information to the public.

There will be printed comment cards at the meeting for the public to share their perspective in that format as well. Public questions and comments during the presentation segment will be recorded by staff.

Thanks for your support!

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By Owen Darrow
From: Garmisch,
Dec 2, 2010
Dogs will be banned from enjoying their fresh air as well, I'LL BE THERE!!
By Helldorado
From: Boulder, CO
Dec 3, 2010
I wouldn't mind if they banned dogs from all open space permanently; however, it would SUCK if they didn't allow access at dawn or dusk, that would severely fuck up night climbing. These whiney conservationist bitches are going to shut everything down if we don't tell them otherwise.
By Joe Collins
Dec 3, 2010
One of the real annoyances of living in Boulder is dealing with the perverse overregulation by city government on a variety of different issues. It seems that every few years or so, we have to deal with some plan to reduce access or further limit the presence of dogs in OUR open space. I fully expect that by 2030, no dogs will be allowed in open space and we will need permits to go for a day hike.

Edit: OK, I read the proposals in more detail. It is not as draconian as I thought based on the post above. Some of this stuff is pretty reasonable, and although the Dinosuar Mtn dog issue was discussed in a preliminary way, it is not included in the final proposals. There seems to be no impact on climbers whatsoever.
By NickinCO Mardi
From: colorado
Dec 4, 2010
The problem is these people need to do something to justify their jobs to the public. By having meetings and making new regulations they can feel needed. That's the issue with government in all forms not just access issues.
By prod. Kenny
From: Boulder, Co
Dec 4, 2010
"I wouldn't mind if they banned dogs from all open space permanently; however, it would SUCK if they didn't allow access at dawn or dusk, that would severely fuck up night climbing. These whiney conservationist bitches are going to shut everything down if we don't tell them otherwise."

Gee... sounds like you have the same type of self serving mindset as the Boulder conservation types. Silly "Bitches" just have to have their way don't they?

I'll be there, in support of responsible dog owners, and climbers, and mountain bikers, and conservationists.

By Dougdziubla
Dec 7, 2010
How did it go?
By Ben Walburn
Dec 13, 2010
Yes, please tell those of us who who weren't able to attend what happened.
By Adam F.
Dec 15, 2010
If it went like the VMP meeting a few years back, I'm sure they proceeded with their agenda regardless of public outrage and evidence that their "science" supporting the MVP was not science at all.

Go look at what they did to the back half of Bear Canyon and tell me how great their "Habitat Conservation" efforts are going. The trail will NEVER look natural again. Seriously, go take a look.
By kevin murphy
From: Lafayette, Colorado
Dec 15, 2010
No more horses on Mesa Trail, climbing and dogs stay the same. Kind of feel bad for no more horse access. They're cool. It is the Wild West. But this was all second hand information....
By Adam F.
Dec 16, 2010
Yeah, I'll miss the dinner plate-sized piles of horse and cow shit that the owners aren't required to pick up. Apparently horses and livestock grazing on open space land has no impact and should continue. Flatirons Vista trailhead and surroundings are real nice these days.
By john parsons
Dec 21, 2010
The City Of Boulder and the County do not REALLY want public comments. They want to close Open Space and make it a wilderness area....! If you want to change this..., get an attorney and sue the City and County for misappropriation of funds...! They RESPOND TO LEGAL ACTION, not public input.


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