Bulldozers in Indian Creek
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Stefanie Van Wychen wrote:Wow, land maggots.... Am I to assume you don't eat meat or wear any leather or wool? Ranchers are in business too - quit criticizing and offer a solution.Actually, I don't eat mutton, lamb, or beef. Yet that's completely beside the point. I don't care if you raise animals, but Buy your own pasture land to graze them. You really expect me to subsidize ranchers, whose heards do real, lasting and substaintial damage to public lands and then sit back and smile when the same land agencies want to tell me that going climbing on that same land is somehow a giant ecological issue. Sorry, not buying it. I don't know where you live or work, but I've seen quite enough destruction of public lands via public grazing in southern Utah. Take a walk around the tops of Boulder Mtn, Thousand Lakes Mtn, the San Rafael desert east of Cap Reef and get back to me. |
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I have no doubt that they're destructive, I've seen it too, I worked primarily with agriculture during my grad degree. And I understand your argument with the NC, but there is probably more to the story on the ranchers side than meets the eye and until you have been making a living in their shoes - it's easy to criticize. People do it with farmers all the time - complain and freak out about fertilizers and pesticides, but they don't really understand what goes into farming.... |
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Heyduke Lives! |
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Will S wrote: Actually, I don't eat mutton, lamb, or beef. Yet that's completely beside the point. I don't care if you raise animals, but Buy your own pasture land to graze them. You really expect me to subsidize ranchers, whose heards do real, lasting and substaintial damage to public lands and then sit back and smile when the same land agencies want to tell me that going climbing on that same land is somehow a giant ecological issue. Sorry, not buying it. I don't know where you live or work, but I've seen quite enough destruction of public lands via public grazing in southern Utah. Take a walk around the tops of Boulder Mtn, Thousand Lakes Mtn, the San Rafael desert east of Cap Reef and get back to me.Even though you are a vegetarian, I agree. I am a fourth generation rancher (and climber) and if you are going to have livestock, you need your "own" land. Most of the grazing subsidies are given to huge livestock companies that can afford thier own land anyway. I welcome my Colorado friends to come climb! Just bring some of that "Fat Tire" to share! |
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when i was a kid i was a big hayduke fan, but when i grew up i realized that i probably shouldn't idolize a guy who drove around in a jeep, throwing beer cans out the window at a 'safe and sane 55 miles per hour'. |
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fotovult wrote:Heyduke Lives!its HAYDUKE jeez dude |
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Bill Ballace wrote:I think we should merge CO/NM/UT/WY/AZ/CA/NV/ID/OR/WA/MT in to one mega-state. Then we could all laugh at how small Texas is.The Alaskans already do. Q: You know what pisses Texans off the most about Alaska? A: If you cut it in half, there would be TWO states bigger than Texas! |
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Photo of the lot. Much smaller than I thought it would be based on the comments in this thread. Looks like it'll be a great resource for the area. |
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The outrage!!!! Green platers!!! Nausea!!! |
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i will leave the color of the plates out of this story although i'm sure you could guess anyways but, i once wintessed a honda accord bottom out on the 12" high lip that seperated the gravel from the pavement with both front wheels completely off the ground! it took 10 people to lift it off and get him on his way. |
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Coloradans can't drive! Ruining Utah! Go berk herm, greenie jerx!!! |
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PTFTW!!! Unintentional!!! Whoo!!! |
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BJ Sbarra wrote:Photo of the lot. Much smaller than I thought it would be based on the comments in this thread. Looks like it'll be a great resource for the area.Yep. I hope they have a wag-bag station there...a really big one. |
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BJ Sbarra wrote:Photo of the lot. Much smaller than I thought it would be based on the comments in this thread.Yes, but the sky is most certainly still falling! |
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The new lot is wonderful. Outhouses too? |
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Bill Ballace wrote:I think we should merge CO/NM/UT/WY/AZ/CA/NV/ID/OR/WA/MT in to one mega-state. Then we could all laugh at how small Texas is.parts of colorado were already part of Texas once....... As far as popularity, its already done! Quit crying and go climb with the masses or go way into the desert and be by yourself. Its that simple |
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As with any/all issues we all have an opinion. |
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Thanks for the lot BLM- good job. Climbing is a growing sport and all the best area's, not just IC, are seeing more traffic. And since many cant manage themselves(unfortunately) its appreciated you do. It was NEEDED and now its here. Good Job. |