"Don't be a Jerk!"

Hello mountainprodgers!

I tend to spend more of my time over at rockclimbing.com. I have a larger postcount there, more street cred, the sofas are broken into my ass over there, etc.

Anyway, I have noticed that the people on mountainproject are much more sensitive to insults, less aware of sarcastic trolling, and on the whole get butthurt a LOT more easily than the gumbies on rc.com.

Why? I've narrowed the reason down to the whole "don't be a jerk" clause that is at the top of every topic's post window. In the short run, it provides for a nice community. But, in the long run, you guys are getting artificially weak, and are adapting less and less to the harsh realities of the rest of the internet.

Congratulations, mp. You are pre-Columbian America. You have absolutely no natural resistance to the noxious herpes and smallpox that rockclimbing.com has gradually evolved an immunity to. "Don't be a Jerk" is a weak antibiotic indeed.

You have no idea. If only you saw the comments people write when they flag "inappropriate" posts....

Herpes and smallpox, both being viruses, are unaffected by antibiotics.

camhead wrote:Hello mountainprodgers! I tend to spend more of my time over at rockclimbing.com. I have a larger postcount there, more street cred, the sofas are broken into my ass over there, etc. Anyway, I have noticed that the people on mountainproject are much more sensitive to insults, less aware of sarcastic trolling, and on the whole get butthurt a LOT more easily than the gumbies on rc.com. Why? I've narrowed the reason down to the whole "don't be a jerk" clause that is at the top of every topic's post window. In the short run, it provides for a nice community. But, in the long run, you guys are getting artificially weak, and are adapting less and less to the harsh realities of the rest of the internet. Congratulations, mp. You are pre-Columbian America. You have absolutely no natural resistance to the noxious herpes and smallpox that rockclimbing.com has gradually evolved an immunity to. "Don't be a Jerk" is a weak antibiotic indeed.

Hopefully, with a little education and the good Lord willing, you will realize what a bunch of crap you are talking about. EVERYONE calls your site RC.Noob, what do y'all call ours?......that's what I thought.

Perhaps people here are aware of internet trolls and sarcasm, they just ignore it and act like an adult. In other words, they don't use the veil of the internet as an excuse to act like an inconsiderate little third grader. But maybe you would prefer.....

Hey toolbox. Go back to RC.com.

How's that? Happy now? Is the troll fed?

Monomaniac wrote:You have no idea. If only you saw the comments people write when they flag "inappropriate" posts....

this sounds like a really funny thread!

camhead wrote:in the long run, you guys are getting artificially weak, and are adapting less and less to the harsh realities of the rest of the internet.

OH NOOOO! Not adapting to the harsh realities of the internet is the LAST thing I want!

I am artificially weak because of french fries, not MP.com.

My question is why does every one at RC.com have to be an arrogant, smack talking jerk? Out of every 10 page thread, there is one page of actual talk about climbing. Just a bunch of jerks who happen to climb looking for a chance to tear down people for grammatical errors, naivety or a general lack of perfection.

That isn't good natured ribbing between friends...that is simple internet maliciousness. IMHO most of those people would get a fat lip if they tried to treat others like that in person. I personally prefer this site where you get 5 pages of either discussion or posts looking to help and further our "sport". Additionally where else can you get 50 people together to drink and celebrate on a whim?

Every time I go on RC.com I regret it.

Scott McMahon wrote:My question is why does every one at RC.com have to be an arrogant, smack talking jerk? Out of every 10 page thread, there is one page of actual talk about climbing. Just a bunch of jerks who happen to climb looking for a chance to tear down people for grammatical errors, naivety or a general lack of perfection. That isn't good natured ribbing between friends...that is simple internet maliciousness. IMHO most of those people would get a fat lip if they tried to treat others like that in person. I personally prefer this site where you get 5 pages of either discussion or posts looking to help and further our "sport". Additionally where else can you get 50 people together to drink and celebrate on a whim? Every time I go on RC.com I regret it.

• steps in gingerly*

RC.com has had some extremely successful and large gatherings at the Gunks, Rumney(5 years in a row organized by a teenager then 3 more years when she moved away), Red Rocks, RRG, and others. The Mass Climbers thread and it's evolving "members" have been climbing together for almost 10 years. It has also had some major contributions over the years from John Long, John Gill, Rich Goldstone, etc there is also PTPP's huge list of aid climbing techniques that is still asked about even though he's been gone for years.

I learned very early on in my RC days that if you ask a stupid question then you should expect a stupid answer. ALL internet forums are like this, B.com, Bikeforums.net etc. There will always be the crowd that has been around a very long time and it takes a bit of work to read around and get accustomed to that group. Some people do not take the time to do searches and just blurt out "what shoe should i get!!?!!111" and after reading 900 of these thread folks are quite bored of saying "what do you climb, where, how long" so you get what you get.

I stepped into this trap my first day at bike forums and corrected someone on what i did not know was an inside joke and was pulled through the coals and i ate my humble pie with some whipped cream and laughed my ass off.

MP does not have this yet as it is not as "google-able" so Rockclimbing.com will always attract more internet searchers than MP.. it is a convenient buffer for MP for sure.

The Holier than thou attitude and "sophisticated" folks over here are just different.. not much better than the regulars at RC.

camhead wrote:, less aware of sarcastic trolling

I'm aware of you. Does that count?

Are we going to take this crap from a climber from Ohio?

camhead wrote:Hello mountainprodgers! I tend to spend more of my time over at rockclimbing.com. I have a larger postcount there, more street cred, the sofas are broken into my ass over there, etc. Anyway, I have noticed that the people on mountainproject are much more sensitive to insults, less aware of sarcastic trolling, and on the whole get butthurt a LOT more easily than the gumbies on rc.com. Why? I've narrowed the reason down to the whole "don't be a jerk" clause that is at the top of every topic's post window. In the short run, it provides for a nice community. But, in the long run, you guys are getting artificially weak, and are adapting less and less to the harsh realities of the rest of the internet. Congratulations, mp. You are pre-Columbian America. You have absolutely no natural resistance to the noxious herpes and smallpox that rockclimbing.com has gradually evolved an immunity to. "Don't be a Jerk" is a weak antibiotic indeed.

Go back to Ohio, college boy

camhead wrote:Hello mountainprodgers! I tend to spend more of my time over at rockclimbing.com. I have a larger postcount there, more street cred, the sofas are broken into my ass over there, etc. Anyway, I have noticed that the people on mountainproject are much more sensitive to insults, less aware of sarcastic trolling, and on the whole get butthurt a LOT more easily than the gumbies on rc.com. Why? I've narrowed the reason down to the whole "don't be a jerk" clause that is at the top of every topic's post window. In the short run, it provides for a nice community. But, in the long run, you guys are getting artificially weak, and are adapting less and less to the harsh realities of the rest of the internet. Congratulations, mp. You are pre-Columbian America. You have absolutely no natural resistance to the noxious herpes and smallpox that rockclimbing.com has gradually evolved an immunity to. "Don't be a Jerk" is a weak antibiotic indeed.

Thanks for your "concern", camhead. While the "Don't be a jerk" clause may make us "weak", many of us simply do not aspire to be "strong" jack-asses on the internet.
Beyond that, I, for one, treat those on this site as if I were talking to them in person because I often do talk to them in person. Due to the localized nature of MP, many of the people I interact with on this site are friends that I actually climb with.
If I were some noob who googled "climbing sites" and found RC.com, I might be tempted to exaggerate my resume and, in general, behave like an adolescent, as I've observed on RC.com. But instead I use MP for accurate information from people I trust and who's company I enjoy.
I hope that satisfies your appetite, troll.
Good day, sir.

camhead wrote: you guys are getting artificially weak, and are adapting less and less to the harsh realities of the rest of the internet.

I beg to differ... I'm genuinely weak.

Tom R wrote: Thanks for your "concern", camhead. While the "Don't be a jerk" clause may make us "weak", many of us simply do not aspire to be "strong" jack-asses on the internet. Beyond that, I, for one, treat those on this site as if I were talking to them in person because I often do talk to them in person. Due to the localized nature of MP, many of the people I interact with on this site are friends that I actually climb with. If I were some noob who googled "climbing sites" and found RC.com, I might be tempted to exaggerate my resume and, in general, behave like an adolescent, as I've observed on RC.com. But instead I use MP for accurate information from people I trust and who's company I enjoy. I hope that satisfies your appetite, troll. Good day, sir.

Well RC.com is the first hit for "rock climbing" Mountain project was no where to be found in the first 5 pages before i stopped looking.

I climb with many of the folks i talk to on RC and lay into them even harder if they say something stupid and expect no less in return.

And how adolescent do you have to be to go crying to an admin every time someone calls you a name? At least folks on RC can defend themselves.

picking a relatively few users from a very large group to try to paint the picture you want is pretty funny. If some people post fake stuff on their profiles.. who cares? If they spray over their heads it tends to be pretty easy to see and laugh at.

and while you're being hypocritical.. exactly how is trashing a certain sector of users on there from here.... better than doing it over there. oh right.. they can't see you doing it. hiding behind walls again.

The posturing and continuous one-ups-manship that is so prevelant on RC.com make it a less than useful site.

If I want to have an argument and see how much I can piss people off, all I need to do is go start a thread about bolts and wait for Jay to show up. RC.com is entertainment

If I want actual information on something or an adult conversation then I come to MP.com. People might get a little snappy but they're not gonna cry me a river about how I should do a search or how stupid I am. MP.com is useful.

I've also noticed there's a positive correlation between the volume of experienced climbers who post here (guidebook authors, well known first ascenscionists, elite climbers/guides/pro-athletes) as compared to RC.com. Not sure if that's a real correlation or what the cause is but I think it says something about the sites. RC.com just seems to attract a lot of gumbies, which is probably why the high post count crowd feels so entitled to tear them a new one anytime they make any noise.

That being said, RC.com has definately thickened my internet skin but I've only met a few people off that site. On MP.com some of these people I climb with regularly or are friends of people I climb with regularly. It's hard to keep friends when you act like a jerk. Personally, if half the "conversations" I've had on RC.com were in person they'd have quickly turned into a fist fights not so on MP.com, even in threads where I strongly disagreed with people. Respectful disagreement is far from the norm on RC.com but it is what it is.

Jake D. wrote: *steps in gingerly*

Yah I get that alot...little cranky today!! SORRY!! :0)LOL

That being said, I still stand by my overly strong opinion. Although alot of "noob" questions do get asked at RC, quite a few folks (not all of course)are lying in wait to tear someone a new *sshole. Quite often comments are lambasted not for the quality of their comment, but instead grammar or other ridiculous reasons. I don't frequent alot of other sites, but it's the largest collection of self righteous D-bags I've run across. Internet Pussies....

I'm glad we don't turn up on searches..I like our community here.

Jake D. wrote: Well RC.com is the first hit for "rock climbing" Mountain project was no where to be found in the first 5 pages before i stopped looking. I climb with many of the folks i talk to on RC and lay into them even harder if they say something stupid and expect no less in return. And how adolescent do you have to be to go crying to an admin every time someone calls you a name? At least folks on RC can defend themselves. picking a relatively few users from a very large group to try to paint the picture you want is pretty funny. If some people post fake stuff on their profiles.. who cares? If they spray over their heads it tends to be pretty easy to see and laugh at. and while you're being hypocritical.. exactly how is trashing a certain sector of users on there from here.... better than doing it over there. oh right.. they can't see you doing it. hiding behind walls again.

Well, let's see...RC.com is the first hit when you search "rock climbing" (so it would tend to attract 10 year old trolls). Mp is much harder to find (so it attracts adults who actually climb). Advantage: MP
"Friends" lay into "friends" in a malicious and insulting manner on RC. People are generally kind to strangers on MP. Advantage: MP
I disagree that it is few users on RC who misrepresent their resume (A large number of posts that I've seen are evidence of this. Although I've not actually done a study on this) Advantage: well, neither. (There's that "don't be a jerk thing again. Damn, I'm so weak)
As for "trashing" a sector of users on RC, I am merely feeding the troll from RC out of boredom. That's what he wanted, was it not?
Either way, neither of you representatives of RC are doing a very good job of selling the site to me or others.

what's rockclimbing.com? In all actuality, I was unaware of it's existence for year's after I discovered whatever this website is I'm typing into, you're all such peaches

almost this easy eh' camhead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWAS3d3RbSg

Hee that guy speaking Pork'n'Cheese

Yeah, nothing but *Angry* guys on that other site