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Rock Climbing Photo: Eric Hufnagel and Bertrand Gramont's topo from 198...
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By Bill Lawry
From: New Mexico
Jan 6, 2010
Thanks for posting the topo, Bob.

•Red Wall route: It seems P2 came some time after 1985 but before the 2006 Jackson's guide. Also, the topo seems to imply the first pitch traverses in from the right before going up. I've done it this way but much prefer the more direct start.

•Spiderman route: I checked out the terrain that is below today's first bolt, pretty much going ~3/4 of the way along a line about as shown in the topo you posted. Felt like uncommonly gutsy (exposed) run-out to first pro for the grade. Or maybe I'm just weak. ;-)

By the way, the current first bolt of Spiderman is higher than the current first bolt on Red Wall's P1; it is the opposite in the 1985 topo. Perhaps next time we'll lower off the P1 anchors of Spiderman, TR the way shown, and/or look for evidence of a missing bolt.
By Bill Lawry
From: New Mexico
Jan 6, 2010
There are now two bolts at the top of P1 of Spiderman. Also, we saw just a single-bolt anchor near the top of P2 of Spiderman. Instead, we slung a tree / large bush higher up. Maybe we didn't see the second bolt of the anchor?
By Bob Broilo
From: Socorro, NM
Jan 7, 2010
Hello Bill,

Yes this old topo is confusing to me too. Hopefully there was no large scale breakage on anybody... I too prefer the direct Redwall start, it is juggy and takes good gear.

As for the top of Spiderman P2, I have always just slung the tree as well.

Those days were cheap ones, with scarce bolt placements, and people raiding their previous routes for hardware to do new ones. Some cruddy old fixed pins have been pulled, and some fixed slings have rotted away. Also you can still find lots of star drives and even a few leepers out there. So it seems probable that stuff is missing since 1985 creating runouts. Or people were just too cheap to be scared :-).

With that in mind, it has always struck me as odd that there is an old bolt just two feet away from a great large hex placement on Redwall!
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Eric Hufnagel and Bertrand Gramont's topo from 1985 for Red Wall and Spiderman.

Submitted By: Bob Broilo on Jan 5, 2010
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Red Wall (5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b )
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