mine were painfully tight the first few days I wore them. Now they fit perfectly. size them fairly tight, so they hurt after maybe 5 or 10 minutes of just having them on your feet (no climbing). that's how mine were
In other shoes: Running Shoes - 12 Street shoes - 11.5/12 (don't wear them anymore, but) all La Sportiva - 10-10.5
As far as stretch on the Astroman, I've found that they'll stretch a bit. They are leather, unlike most evolvs. If you're going to size down, go at most 1/2 size down from your street shoes.
I saw this thread and wanted to chime in about the sizing. I've been wearing a pair of these in my street shoe size (13) and was surprised that they were as tight as they were. I have slightly knuckled toes in them, which has gotten better with stretch, but for thinner cracks I definitely kick myself for not going with the 13.5. I have heard others say they get a perfect fit with their street shoe size, and others even size these down with some success. Of course shoes will fit everyone's feet differently, but I was surprised enough when I put them on that I felt compelled to mention it.
I last week I wrote up a longer review of the shoes for a gear website if anyone is interested. As mentioned in the review, I haven't taken them to Vedauwoo or RMNP yet so performance on granite will have to wait until later in the season.
I know this is really resurrecting an old thread, and a long shot, but does anyone have a pair of size 13 Astromans that are collecting dust would consider selling?
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