Possibly Moving To Vegas

dylan grabowski wrote: Can confrim. Have lived in Oakland since January, and worked here since Winter of '15. Not very scary. I can walk around at night with my ear buds in, as long as my head is on a swivel. No broken car windows yet... Knock on wood. Too damn expensive though.

The last time I was in Oaktown was around 2009, probably before the new way of tech hipsters moved in. It was all about hyphy back then.

Has the gentrification reached the area near the coliseum? That's probably the most ghetto place I have ever been, no place for a white boy after dark.

Simon W wrote: The last time I was in Oaktown was around 2009, probably before the new way of tech hipsters moved in. It was all about hyphy back then. Has the gentrification reached the area near the coliseum? That's probably the most ghetto place I have ever been, no place for a white boy after dark.

No it hasn't. And, save for the AirBART platform, I'm never there after the street lights turn on.

I live downtown and it's true that it's a little sketchy. We've been burglarized yada yada. But it's the spot for sure. The historic downtown neighborhoods are dope. But if I were you I'd look at apartments in the 18b Arts District. You'd have a super fast, back street commute to work at Ceasars. Extremely bikable, prob 15 minutes. (Sidenote, by september there will be a new 12-station bike share covering Downtown & 18b)

When it's time to go to RR you're 2-5 minutes from the highway, then set the cruise for 30 minutes. Being downtown is an easy launch to anywhere outside the city in any direction. Don't forget Lake Mead, Boulder City and the Colorado River for daily fun. Plus if you're downtown all the time then you're not going to feel like it's too touristy. Instead you're going to be in the know on all the great community stuff going on. It's pedestrian freindly. I can walk to three different grocery stores. How many people in the suburbs can hoof it to the grocery?

John Wilder wrote:Public transportation is a joke here. Sorry, but its true. You'll drive everywhere.

While John is 100% correct on everything he said,I beg to differ on the public transportation thing. I've had friends land, take a bus to my house, then take a bus all the way to California with out my help at all.I'm also able to walk a few blocks and hop on a bus to the airport pretty easily. No subway, no tram or light rail, but the bus system works pretty efficiently if needed. I also was able to bike to work most days last year. Never once felt threatened by cars. It's not Minneapolis cycling, but depending on where you live, it's straightforward and safe. Vegas is very much a cow town with very little sense of community and culture. It's cheap compared to California, but expensive compared to almost anywhere else. It has, by far, one of the worst school districts in the country. BUT- you can climb on beautiful sandstone every dry day, even in the summer if you start at sunrise or do short approaches mid day.When it rains, Jtree is almost always dry. If you're moving here to climb you wont be disappointed by the rock or the "crowds". But if you're moving here to live in a world class city, you will likely be very bummed by your choice.

Chris,

I moved here permanently in 1998. Climbed here since before the Urioste guidebook. What I found: John Wilder has it correct. I was a commercial finish carpenter so my work was on the strip. You need to live on the west side; end of story. You need a vehicle. I came here with a Isuzu pickup but as soon as I had funds upgraded to a Toyota 4WD; it's that kind of place.

Then you need to explore the neighborhoods. Look at the commute times on Google. The Spaghetti Bowl is often a cluster-fuck from 5:00AM till 8:00AM and also at the end of shifts.
Many times you'll find very affordable small un-walled neighborhoods located up the west slope and not in HOA areas. Alta Drive is a good place to start. Adiabatic micro climates exist in the air drainage's off Red Rocks and the La Madre Range. It's worth while to find them.

If you are working at Caesars then you can start by looking at all the different ways to commute to Caesars. I did several jobs there.

Summerlin...well. I won't bad mouth it but think of the return versus restrictions in a Home Owners Association. Living in a Gated Community is a false sense of security.

When I first came here I found the climbing community full of flakes and no shows. It took a while to winnow out the not so committed climbers but I found a group or groups I can climb with...be patient; and ruthless on no shows.

I start climbing high around mid May and climb at Charleston till mid September. People get up early and climb back in the canyons of Red Rocks even in the summer. For instance Black Velvet can be perfect conditions when it's 95 in downtown Las Vegas.

Las Vegas is a cultural wasteland but there exist areas of art and musicians with some good talent..Just a matter of finding the venues. The dance scene is hot here but you better have the money to support it. And if you have any addictions Las Vegas will find them.

Las Vegas

Nice... I used to live in Marlboro Country.

Mmmm mmmm MMmmmm Mmmmmmmmm smoooooooooooothhhhhh.

WARNING: DO NOT MOVE TO VEGAS! You will hate it. It will hate you. Lotta Haters. Just ask Killis or Wow Dilliams.

The Red Rock really isn't that great. Aztec sandstone is over-rated. And even after a mellow rainstorm, you have to wait 17 days to climb...or you will die. All the rock has been climbed and the guidebooks are filled with misinformation. The sport climbing leaves a lot to be desired and the trad climbing is frighteningly fragile. It's super crowded, except during Red Rock Rendezvous. If the "local" climbing community and the BLM don't crush your spirit, the weather will. From April to October, the average temp is 118(f). Traffic, gangs, crime, gambling, feral dogs & cats, HOAs in the stucco maze, rabid burros, sand-bag mountain biking & Harry Reid will all test your resolve. It's not for the faint of heart...or those with questionable character (ie. liberal east-coasters), unless you possess more than 3 firearms, with at least 1 being a semi-automatic assault rifle.

You should move to SLC. I hear the air quality there between November and March is about as good as it gets in the lower 48...and the Momentum Climbing Gyms are badass! Or, move to Boulder (no, not Boulder, WY - jobs hard to find - do you like sheep?). Colorado! Front Range Baby! Word is everybody in Boulder, CO is super friendly and the climbing community there is mostly vegan, gluten-free and happy to log hours belaying you on your "proj." Just look for the cute girl driving her daddy's Eddie Bauer Ford Explorer at CU and you may find a partner for life. The Wasatch or the Front Range, that's where you want to be!! The Mojave Desert? Are you out of your fucking mind?

Mark Limage wrote:WARNING: DO NOT MOVE TO VEGAS! You will hate it. It will hate you. Lotta Haters. Just ask Killis or Wow Dilliams. The Red Rock really isn't that great. Aztec sandstone is over-rated. And even after a mellow rainstorm, you have to wait 17 days to climb...or you will die. All the rock has been climbed and the guidebooks are filled with misinformation. The sport climbing leaves a lot to be desired and the trad climbing is frighteningly fragile. It's super crowded, except during Red Rock Rendezvous. If the "local" climbing community and the BLM don't crush your spirit, the weather will. From April to October, the average temp is 118(f). Traffic, gangs, crime, gambling, feral dogs & cats, HOAs in the stucco maze, rabid burros, sand-bag mountain biking & Harry Reid will all test your resolve. It's not for the faint of heart...or those with questionable character (ie. liberal east-coasters), unless you possess more than 3 firearms, with at least 1 being a semi-automatic assault rifle. You should move to SLC. I hear the air quality there between November and March is about as good as it gets in the lower 48...and the Momentum Climbing Gyms are badass! Or, move to Boulder (no, not Boulder, WY - jobs hard to find - do you like sheep?). Colorado! Front Range Baby! Word is everybody in Boulder, CO is super friendly and the climbing community there is mostly vegan, gluten-free and happy to log hours belaying you on your "proj." Just look for the cute girl driving her daddy's Eddie Bauer Ford Explorer at CU and you may find a partner for life. The Wasatch or the Front Range, that's where you want to be!! The Mojave Desert? Are you out of your fucking mind?

Hilarious!

It's been too long! I hope you are doing well.

Mark Limage wrote:WARNING: DO NOT MOVE TO VEGAS! You will hate it. It will hate you. Lotta Haters. Just ask Killis or Wow Dilliams. The Red Rock really isn't that great. Aztec sandstone is over-rated. And even after a mellow rainstorm, you have to wait 17 days to climb...or you will die. All the rock has been climbed and the guidebooks are filled with misinformation. The sport climbing leaves a lot to be desired and the trad climbing is frighteningly fragile. It's super crowded, except during Red Rock Rendezvous. If the "local" climbing community and the BLM don't crush your spirit, the weather will. From April to October, the average temp is 118(f). Traffic, gangs, crime, gambling, feral dogs & cats, HOAs in the stucco maze, rabid burros, sand-bag mountain biking & Harry Reid will all test your resolve. It's not for the faint of heart...or those with questionable character (ie. liberal east-coasters), unless you possess more than 3 firearms, with at least 1 being a semi-automatic assault rifle. You should move to SLC. I hear the air quality there between November and March is about as good as it gets in the lower 48...and the Momentum Climbing Gyms are badass! Or, move to Boulder (no, not Boulder, WY - jobs hard to find - do you like sheep?). Colorado! Front Range Baby! Word is everybody in Boulder, CO is super friendly and the climbing community there is mostly vegan, gluten-free and happy to log hours belaying you on your "proj." Just look for the cute girl driving her daddy's Eddie Bauer Ford Explorer at CU and you may find a partner for life. The Wasatch or the Front Range, that's where you want to be!! The Mojave Desert? Are you out of your fucking mind?

10/10 accurate!!1!1!

Mark Limage wrote:WARNING: DO NOT MOVE TO VEGAS! You will hate it. It will hate you. Lotta Haters. Just ask Killis or Wow Dilliams. The Red Rock really isn't that great. Aztec sandstone is over-rated. And even after a mellow rainstorm, you have to wait 17 days to climb...or you will die. All the rock has been climbed and the guidebooks are filled with misinformation. The sport climbing leaves a lot to be desired and the trad climbing is frighteningly fragile. It's super crowded, except during Red Rock Rendezvous. If the "local" climbing community and the BLM don't crush your spirit, the weather will. From April to October, the average temp is 118(f). Traffic, gangs, crime, gambling, feral dogs & cats, HOAs in the stucco maze, rabid burros, sand-bag mountain biking & Harry Reid will all test your resolve. It's not for the faint of heart...or those with questionable character (ie. liberal east-coasters), unless you possess more than 3 firearms, with at least 1 being a semi-automatic assault rifle. You should move to SLC. I hear the air quality there between November and March is about as good as it gets in the lower 48...and the Momentum Climbing Gyms are badass! Or, move to Boulder (no, not Boulder, WY - jobs hard to find - do you like sheep?). Colorado! Front Range Baby! Word is everybody in Boulder, CO is super friendly and the climbing community there is mostly vegan, gluten-free and happy to log hours belaying you on your "proj." Just look for the cute girl driving her daddy's Eddie Bauer Ford Explorer at CU and you may find a partner for life. The Wasatch or the Front Range, that's where you want to be!! The Mojave Desert? Are you out of your fucking mind?

I see right through this. "Reverse psychology," huh, Mark? You are such a good salesman. You must be a real estate agent over there. Clever sales technique. :)