The Pins and Needles area outside McCall, ID is an amazing place but due to remoteness does not get see as much traffic as other areas in the McCall area. I've had the opportunity to explore and climb much of it and each time have run into a plethora of errors and marginal beta. The existing guidebook, while helpful, has many errors and can actually be misleading to the point of being dangerous for a novice climber relying on its beta. My party actually ran into some trouble with it this weekend and fortunately we were prepared and trained to deal with these hiccups, however the remoteness and marginal beta could really get someone into trouble that comes unprepared. I'd like to help update some of this information but am not sure how to go about it. Here's what I'd like to propose..

The existing online guidebook divides the area into two sections, the Pins and then the Needles, with the Pins being much easier to access and the Needles being a larger distance and a significantly larger undertaking with quite a bit more risk. I think this is quite helpful as the two are definitely distinct as far as directions, commitment and ability level is concerned. How could one go about dividing this area into these two differing sections? (ie the existing 'Pins and Needles Area' having a 2 subsections, one for Pins, and one for Needles)

Currently the two routes on MP (Sandy Line and Fall Line) are on the Terrapin, which is only one of the MANY Pins in the area. I forsee as this area gets more traffic and more updates all the Pins and Needles beta will just get crammed in the comments below the existing page rather than in an orderly manner that can be updated much more effectively. thoughts?

Thanks

Troy Frisk

Make it so areas(aka rocks) can be added for organization.

Description Suggestion

Description Suggestion

The name could be changed to "Pins and Needles" without specifying that the crags are near McCall for simplicity and cleanliness. There are no other areas in Idaho with this name, to my knowledge.