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Location: Arizona > Southern Arizona > Cochise Stronghold > East Stronghold > Rockfellow Group > ... > Magnus Veritas (5.11)
By: John Fowler When: Oct 30, 2012

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Comments: I am just surprised that bolts were added. I don't feel strongly enough too push for more damage being done to the rock. I don't know who added the bolts and honestly I don't care. I got something myself from the route that I did and nobody else will allowed to have a similar experience. Andy and Clay got all psyched up for something that doesn't exist anymore. It seems like others have been robbed by another self indulgent act. When I did the leads on that route I did them in such a way a... more >>


Location: Arizona > Southern Arizona > Cochise Stronghold > East Stronghold > Rockfellow Group > ... > Magnus Veritas (5.11)
By: John Fowler When: Oct 30, 2012

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Comments: All,
I didn't mean to imply that Clay and Andy couldn't "sack up", just that they didn't need too. :}

I did not contact Scott about this, he would need to live with himself if he went and defaced my leads. As I said earlier, I always thought that the belay by the protuberance needed to be cleaned up. We left slings hanging off of it and it is bit sketchy, but that is all that I feel was needed to clean up the route.

John Fowler

P.S. The route name is Magnus Veritas not Magna Veritas.


Location: Arizona > Southern Arizona > Cochise Stronghold > East Stronghold > Rockfellow Group > ... > Magnus Veritas (5.11)
By: John Fowler When: Oct 29, 2012

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Comments: I would like to clarify the above description. I did not add any bolts to what was done on the first ascent. The only place I believe any bolts should have been added to the route were at the belay by the protuberance (as I recall we left slings and it was messy). It's sad to hear that folks are so soft and can't leave a couple of routes for someone that aspires to different challenges. The route was put up on lead and drilled using stances and hooks. I am all for replacing aging hardware, ... more >>


Location: Arizona > Southern Arizona > Cochise Stronghold > East Stronghold > Rockfellow Group > ... > Unknown (5.12-)
By: John Fowler When: Nov 19, 2010

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Comments: Since the old dogs have barked, I better let everyone known my part in this route. I did put in the first two bolts (with Scott) on the first pitch (I think, it was done in the early 90's). The route was over my/our heads at the time. I have not been climbing in Tucson for about 18 years, therfore I could not have had anything to do with the rest of the route. I do not consider my minor contribution to such long route consideration as one of the first ascentionist. I am sure there were othe... more >>


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