[Hide Comment] Prohibiting moves and holds for the sake of making another problem seems a bit silly. Full blown eliminates, like this, should be posted as variations in the comments of the climb. There is a fine lie between a different route and a fun eliminate to try once you have climbed it the other way. This seems more like an eliminate and such does not really deserve its own place in the data base. However this is just my opinion!

And this video of the low-sit has the holds you list as "off" being used and a different grade, have you climbed the low sit?


vimeo.com/17260983 Jul 22, 2016

[Hide Comment] I've looked at this before and I'm pretty sure it just starts both hands on bad crimps in the seam to the right of the regular start holds, traverses left to the Fido start and then finishes like Fido. I don't see how matching or whatever would make it the same problem, Fido low looks like it essentially just adds two or three brick hard moves, pulling off the ground, throwing Lh out to the start, bumping Lh down further, then coming Rh into the right start hold.

Edit: Follow the video Matt posted that's gotta be right. I thought it started matched in the seam, I bet it could go that way but it would be heinous, real hard, and probably not good. Jul 23, 2016

[Hide Comment] The way I've always known it is just a way to make that move on Fido more dramatic. If you don't match the start hold of Fido or use that intermediate, it forces a huge left hand throw to the good edge. This move is pretty sick, and different enough from the original move that I thought the climb was worth posting. I've never thought about it before, but matching the start hold would just add one v4ish move to the original problem. The way I described it in the description is the way I've always tried it. It makes it extremely contrived but that move makes up for it... Jul 23, 2016

[Hide Comment] It might be a more fun way to do it but it does not create a new line. Saying you can't match, or use an obvious hold makes it an eliminate. Eliminates are fun but not individual lines. I would suggest to post the eliminate in the comments and encourage people to try it because the fun moves. I would be very hesitant to start posting "new routes" that just require skipping or not using a hold in the a certain way, those are variations/eliminates and are best suited for the comments section.

I want to add that I love trying new variations that are posted and applause your exploratory and adventurous spirit, just don't want to clog this great resource down with a bunch of eliminates or variations.

I believe the the description for Fido Low should describe the moves in the video, either way, it seems to add mediocre climbing to a very classy route. Jul 24, 2016

[Hide Comment] Ok I understand. I agree that eliminates shouldn't be individually posted, but I do think variations should. Thanks for the compliment, though. Should I delete the route? Jul 24, 2016

[Hide Comment] I agree variations can be added. I don't think this line needs to be deleted, just update the description to not be an eliminate. Cheers, keep on exploring! Jul 25, 2016

[Hide Comment] Will do! Jul 25, 2016

[Hide Comment] Jake's first thought was correct - the video and description are incorrect. The problem doesn't just add a single move and it isn't an eliminate. It starts with both hands on the bad crimps to the right, not with a hand mere inches from the original start hold, is a hard pull off the ground and a big move to the starting hold of Fido. It is really hard, but it climbs very well. Mar 5, 2017

[Hide Comment] Ok, thanks for the info Bryce! Mar 7, 2017