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Routes in The Fiscal Cliff

24 S 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
Colliding S 5.12b 7b 26 VIII+ 26 E5 6b
East Berlin S 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Glitter and Doom S 5.11d 7a 24 VIII 25 E5 6a
Iron Curtain, The S 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Joppa Road S 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a
Joyride S 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Large Marge S 5.11d 7a 24 VIII 25 E5 6a
Lot Lizards S 5.11c 6c+ 24 VIII- 24 E4 6a
Nomesayin (??) S 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b
Over the Top S 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a
Runaway Truck Ram S 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a
Systemic Risk S 5.11- 6c 22 VIII+ 22 E3 5c
Type: Sport, 35 ft
FA: Derek Peavey, Cassidy Hill
Page Views: 1,026 total, 34/month
Shared By: SteveZ on May 19, 2015
Admins: Leo Paik, John McNamee, Frances Fierst, Monty, Monomaniac

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Description

Start up steep jugs to the lip of the cave. Continue with big moves and a sustained pump to the top of the wall. With a few cruxes along the way, it climbs longer than it appears.

It is still a bit dirty... traffic will clean this up into a very nice route.

Location

Begin on the left side of a cave forming the left part of the Fiscal Cliff. This shares anchors with its neighbor to the left (Colliding).

Protection

4 bolts to 2 bolt anchor.

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Nolan Robertson
  5.12a
Nolan Robertson  
  5.12a
Guys! Amazing job. This is my favorite at the cliff. Had an amazing fun time on this route! A refreshing reprieve from the endless death crimping in CCC. Jun 18, 2017
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Fucken Zion
two chains   Fucken Zion
Slim, your asshole is dirty... go whip it...routes here have some of the most unique holds in the canyon.... If it rains the night before, expect some dirt...duuuuh. Aug 21, 2016
slim

  5.12a
slim    
  5.12a
Spent some time cleaning and this is a good route. Again, sorry for my original lame ass comment. Hopefully others will read these comments and learn from them. Thanks for putting these routes up - it would definitely be a LOT of work.

In '04, I worked up this area and spent some time hiking and looking at potential crags. I remember checking this area out and thinking it looked like some good, steep climbing. It was definitely very nice and does indeed seem kind of weird with the new trail there. I guess the trail is one of those plus/minus sorts of things.

Anyway, I am looking forward to checking out some more of the routes (and if you have any beta for the top of Dump Truck, I would love to hear it :) Sep 28, 2015
I had a lot of fun climbing here with Derek in 2014 when he'd put up about half the climbs and I helped pitch in on a few others to get them established. They were plenty clean at the time -- Derek always does a great job cleaning his climbs and has a great eye for a line. I imagine all the dirt on this route was washover, coming off the top of the cliff, and then of course all the mank they stirred up when they came in there and paved a bike path right along the base of the cliff (heinous, IMO -- it was pretty over there, with nice sitting rocks, grass, and trees, before this "improvement).

Putting up new routes is lots of work. If you get on a newish climb and wonder, "Why didn't anyone clean this?" I'd encourage you to go put up some routes of your own first and try to understand the process, and also realize that many climbs, without constant traffic, will revert to their unclimbed state fairly quickly. In this case, the cliff sat idle for a year due to the construction. Always good to climb with a brush, in any case, to help clean any route you get on. Sep 23, 2015
slim

  5.12a
slim    
  5.12a
Derek, sorry about the overly negative comment - I was more just really surprised by it being so dirty. I guess it is possible that all of the rain and the construction left it in rough shape. If I am there again, I will try to clean it up some. The climbing is very good and hard, it feels a lot longer than it is. Sep 21, 2015
Slim, I'm really sorry about your awful time on this route and on Runaway Truck Ramp. I did spend hours cleaning this route. Yes, it needed some more cleaning, but hours did go into cleaning all of the routes at that cliff. The bottom definitely needs more cleaning. I climbed this over 20 times and also had a bunch of friends climb it. None of them seem to have a negative opinion of the route.
The cliff had only been developed two months before the closure without a chance to clean the routes as much as I would have liked. The cliff has been closed for one and a half years, and I believe it is still closed. So, in that time, a lot of construction went on including a lot of rock work on top of the cliff to make the trail safe. So now when it rains, dirt likely comes flowing over the cliff. I'm not saying that's why it's dirty, but it could be a small factor.
"I am really puzzled that someone would spend the time/effort/hardware/$$ to put up what could be a good little route and then not even remotely clean it." Well, that someone is me. I'm sorry if you think I'm doing the climbing community an injustice by putting up routes and not cleaning them enough. I've put up over 100+ routes on the Front Range. Some of them are really good, and some of them are "bombs". I put up routes, because I like doing it. I love the process of making a route come to life and then climbing it. Sure I want other people to climb them, but if they never get climbed again or get put in a guidebook, it's cool with me. I've climbed thousands of routes in my life. A lot of them are awesome, but a lot of them are Bombs. I do not go and rant about it, because I know someone spend time/effort/hardware/$$ to put it up. What if they thought their route was really great? Do I want to take that away from them? No, I just leave it be and move on. How about better yet, the climbing community help clean newly developed routes so that they become desirable climbs? Everyone wants these perfectly clean routes to climb with perfect bolt placement (me included), but it isn't the gym, and to get a route to that level, it typically needs to be climbed a lot. Colorado is full of choss - go to Rifle and climb some of the new routes there. Some of them are pretty chossy. But it takes time. Did you know that Ten Digit Dialing was full of crappy rock? In addition to cleaning, it took thousands of ascents to get it to where it is now.
Slim, what is your real name? I'd like to go climb some of the routes you have put up, so I can see how not to put up a "Bomb" route.
Fiscal Cliff is dirty, period. I would avoid climbing there in the future (I know I will be climbing there). Sep 20, 2015
slim

  5.12a
slim    
  5.12a
I was a bit perplexed by this route. A 'bit' dirty is a big understatement. This thing is absolutely filthy. I am really puzzled that someone would spend the time/effort/hardware/$$ to put up what could be a good little route and then not even remotely clean it. This would probably be a 2 star route, but in its current state, it is awful. Sep 14, 2015