[Hide Comment] Though we took a little different start, Tim Fisher and I did this route about 12 years ago. I'll have to check on the name. The original grade was 5.8+, but I think that was a bit of a sandbag. Felt more like 5.9 PG13 May 27, 2016

[Hide Comment] Hey Dennis, we climbed the crack a little left of Doan's Pills to access that dish feature. We took a different pitch (probably Stab) up to the ledge, but I've seen the chimney climbed by others. I had actually climbed the same crack back in the mid 90s, but this time we cut left into the described feature under Zombie. Perhaps on your ascent you climbed a slightly more direct path a few feet to the left of the crack I'm describing? Above the chimney your rope line in the picture exactly follows ours. Whatever the case, the real adventure climbing sound the same, though I'll be we used a different exit. We did a very heads up face traverse into the High Wire flake after pulling out of that dish feature. Our finish was very exciting because there was no gear and the rock was dirty from never being traveled, but would not be particularly hard if cleaned up. Jul 21, 2016

[Hide Comment] Robert, these are different lines than 'Wild'. They are traversing link-ups using multiple established routes and traversing in from 100' up another wall. I don't doubt for a second that the dihedral chimney has been climbed but it goes right which is why it's a very small part of 'Wild'. Mountain Project at least keeps us informed so that everyone knows what's going on. So if routes are posted we will not have these inevitable misunderstandings. Jul 26, 2016

[Hide Comment] I would have commented year ago, if I had any idea this was even posted. I don't need to look to MP to get beta for any routes I do at Moore's. I just happened to be bored and noticed it in the listing for the first time recently. If you look at my post history, you can tell that I have large gaps without posting anything, and most come in a flurry when I'm killing time traveling. Let's be honest, the meat of this route is the traverse through the dish. Otherwise, it wouldn't even have this name. I can't say for sure where you exited, and listed the way we did, but that doesn't mean too much to me. Are you doing different routes if you finish on the straight up arete feature on Quaker State, relative to moving right into easier ground, or the face on Do Or Dive? Those are after the primary feature. As far as the bottom/entrance nearly every vertical inch of the bottom of that wall has been climbed numerous times if you aren't contriving the spacing to less than 4', and none of it, in my opinion, is enough differentiation to call the features above different route; they are just alternate starts. I'll withhold my opinion of what I think about naming small variation and linkup to climbs when no significant additional ground is covered.

I didn't post the original comment to start a pissing contest, and went out of my way to be congenial in my follow-up post to a post far less so. As far as not submitting the route earlier, why should I have? I don't submit every climb or variation of a climb I've done? For people who get their Moore's Wall route info from MP, there are far more suitable classic lines than this one. This climb was done well before MP even existed, and almost a decade before I it new it existed. Jul 26, 2016

[Hide Comment] The meat of the climb and the 'R' is the face, not the dish traverse. The dish is spicy but not bad climbing, although that is where the fun exposure is. If the dish were the meat then I would agree with all your above. We have differing opinions and that is ok but I think all of this should just be tossed. I doubt any of this reflects our general character and nature and I really doubt anyone wants to have to read it. Jul 27, 2016