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A Group of Mysteries of Frenchwoman T 5.8+ 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
A Hatch T 5.11+ 7a 24 VIII 24 E4 6a
A Ship Called Black Rock T 5.10c/d 6b+ 21 VII+ 21 E3 5b
An Act of Strange Boar T 5.10d 6b+ 21 VII+ 21 E3 5b
And Say T,TR 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c
Baby Tapir T,S 5.10d 6b+ 21 VII+ 21 E3 5b
Below Lissen T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Bobcat Cringe T 5.12b 7b 26 VIII+ 26 E5 6b
Bowling to Biscuits T 5.10d 6b+ 21 VII+ 21 E3 5b
Cattalk T 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c
He is Truly a Great Airplane (Hitaga) T 5.10d 6b+ 21 VII+ 21 E3 5b
House of the 7th Bobcat T 5.11d 7a 24 VIII 25 E5 6a
Law and Order T 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Money T 5.10+ 6b+ 21 VII+ 20 E3 5b
Peanuts To Serve You T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Purple Kool-Aid T 5.10b/c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b
Rice Krispies T 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b
Solitude T 5.11c/d 7a 24 VIII 25 E4 6a
Steel Pulse T 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b
This is Index Not L.A. T 5.11+ 7a 24 VIII 24 E4 6a
Velvet Pedestal, The T 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
You can cool Jack Robinson T 5.12+ 7c 28 IX 27 E6 6b
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Type: Trad, 130 ft, 2 pitches
FA: Jon Nelson and Dave Toler (Dec 1980)
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Shared By: Jon Nelson on Nov 20, 2011
Admins: Scott Coldiron, Jon Nelson, Micah Klesick

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P1: 5.10a. Climb a short crack on a pedestal, about 30' left of Peanuts. At the top of the pedestal, layback up and right to the face holds (takes a good wired stopper or brass nut: #5 BD nut is perfect). The face climbing (~5.8) has two bolts, and ends on a ledge below a hand-crack in a shallow corner. Climb the crack (~10a) and do a few traverse moves left to a two-bolt chained anchor below the roof.

(Completely disregard the info in guidebooks published before 2012: they mistakenly label the dirty corner further left as the 1st pitch. That corner was never part of the route.)

P2: 5.10d. Go over the roof on the right side, grabbing solid flakes and jamming (~10a). Enter the corner (see photo) and follow the corner to a ledge and 3-bolt belay. The crux is the pumpy jams soon after pulling the roof. The crack widens at the top. The top ledge is very comfortable.

Pitch 2 is short but sustained. It also tends to stay clean and dry, even in a light rain.

A double rope (150') reaches the ground. With a single rope, you can rap to the anchor at the top of the first pitch, but it may require a little swinging to be able to grab the chains. From this anchor, a single 60-m rope will reach the ground.


In the Bobcat Cringe area. Starts about 30' left of Peanuts to Serve You.


Bring small nuts and cams to 4".


In 1980, Dave Toler and I went ground up. I led the first pitch, traversing over from Peanuts, then heading through some thick foliage that clogged the best jams, making it much more desperate than it is now. The second pitch was always perfectly clean, though originally there were some vine maples below the roof that I stood on. We called it Bowling for biscuits.

In 2012, Derek Pearson cleaned off the (much better) direct start, and then later he, Nicola Masciandaro, and I repeated the route. Now both pitches are very clean. The vine maples at the start of p2 left on their own (rotted and fallen out), and Nicola probably did the first non-tree-aided ascent of the pitch, giving the route it's present name.
derekpearson Pearson  
There is a direct start to this route now. Climb the obvious hand crack then climb out on a flake(place a #5 bd nut here) then clip two bolts . There is also a chain belay under the roof at the end of p1 . this climb is still a little scruffy but well worth it. p2 is classic ! Apr 25, 2012
Jon Nelson
Redmond, WA
Jon Nelson   Redmond, WA  
Thanks Derek for adding the direct start. I updated the description above. Apr 25, 2012
Nicola Masciandaro
Brooklyn, NY
Nicola Masciandaro   Brooklyn, NY
Sine qua non. If you haven't done this climb, you haven't climbed at Index. Aug 29, 2012
derekpearson Pearson  
When I climbed this I thought the anchor under the roof was troublesome so I added a anchor at the top of first corner. Now one will belay standing on the shoulder and the follower can pass through straight to the over hanging flakes. Stemming makes the overhang much easier. Aug 29, 2012
Nicola Masciandaro
Brooklyn, NY
Nicola Masciandaro   Brooklyn, NY
Makes sense if there is a stance lower down. Nice to have a clear space for deciding whether to stem on moss or crank on the steep holds.

And how about a fixed line leading to the base of Relapse? That would be a nice alternative to having to traverse in from B to B I think. And for sure remove your original anchor from P1 of Relpase. That flake it is perched on is scary anyway and the moves go direct through the crystal pockets. If I could do them in that heat, they might be only 11c or so in cooler temps. Put one bolt to clip when your hand is in the sloping right pocket, another to clip after you've stood up with your foot in it, another to clip once you grab the small positive knob above (which is about level with the small roof/flake to the right or maybe a little higher), and then another to clip once you get your foot on that knob to rejoin the part that Jon did. That will be one cool pitch. ;-) Aug 30, 2012
derekpearson Pearson  
That sounds good I think I will remove that anchor. I have a good name for it now "And Say". I'm working on a good P1 for And Say I will be done soon. I will bolt it up just like you said I think that will be the best way to climb it. Aug 31, 2012
San Francisco, CA
Johan   San Francisco, CA
I cleaned the first pitch of this yesterday, November 24th, 2013. Not deep-cleaned, but cleaned it in so much as I led it. It's a really great pitch, definitely worth doing if you venture up here for Peanuts, looking for moderates. Haven't tried the second pitch.

The move off the pedestal really does protect extremely well by a #5 BD nut. From the ground it looked like there was no placement in that crack, but by trusting the comments here and feeling adventurous, I headed up and used an aid nut wire to floss out the dirt from the crack to make for a perfect placement. Nov 25, 2013
derekpearson Pearson  
Thanks Johan, its a fun pitch. p2 is really cool too. Nov 30, 2013
geoff georges
Seattle, Wa.
geoff georges   Seattle, Wa.
I just don't really know anymore because I just get worse every year instead of improving, but this seemed allot harder then some 11a's I have climbed. I did a ship called black rock the day before so maybe tired but this is a beast! Mar 9, 2015
Jon Nelson
Redmond, WA
Jon Nelson   Redmond, WA  
But Geoff, I thought everyone knew that 10d was harder than 11a. We are all on the same page here...

It is a strenuous stretch over the roof. The jams look so good, but the thing leans the wrong way. Mar 9, 2015

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