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Gut Wrencher V6 7A
Hydrogenated Oil V11- 8A
No Additives V11 8A
No Substance V8 7B
Pimper's Paradise V4 6B
Scuzlocks V13 8B
Thriller V0 4 R
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Type: Boulder, 10 ft
FA: unknown
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Shared By: Aeon Aki on Jun 24, 2011 with updates from Brian Koralewski
Admins: Aeon Aki, Andrew Gram, Nathan Fisher, Perin Blanchard, grk10vq

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On the backside of the Thriller boulder there are three problems that climb out a steep bulge feature. The V4 is the rightmost problem of the three and begins with a SDS on a low rail. Climb straight up and over. Excellent rock quality and an interesting sequence make this lowball totally worthwhile.

The new Joe's Valley guidebook has names for all three of these problems but also renames the boulder entirely along with its namesake Thriller problem. This had been known as Thriller V4 - Anyone know the real deal?


Crashpad and spotter if you're sketchy on mantles.


Dan Fenner
Dan Fenner  
This is a great little problem, and safe to climb with no spotter. If you are shorter than 5'8" you may need to hop off your feet to hit the lip, it certainly makes that move more fun. Dec 1, 2014
Brian Koralewski
Springville, UT
Brian Koralewski   Springville, UT
There were quite a few V5 votes before MP merged duplicates together. Listed as V5 in both guides I believe. Mar 21, 2016
Emerson Takahashi
Casper, WY
Emerson Takahashi   Casper, WY
Great rock, but so short!
5'7 and have to jump for the lip Sep 18, 2016

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