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The Hidden Persuaders

Name: The Hidden Persuaders
Rating: 1.8

5.9 YDS 5c French 17 Ewbanks VI UIAA 17 ZA HVS 5a British R

Routes in Brass Wall

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	Alternative Facts T 5.11b/c 6c+ 23 VIII- 24 E4 6a
	Arachnoworld T,TR 5.4 4a 12 IV 10 VD 3c
	Big Horn, The T 5.8+ 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
	Bird Cage T 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
	Birdland T 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
	Birdlaw T 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b
	Black Hole, The T 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b
	Brass Balls T 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b
	Bus Stops Here T 5.8- 5b 16 VI- 14 VS 4c
	Bush Pilots T 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
	Chocolate Covered Bacon T 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b
	Cut Away T,TR 5.10d 6b+ 21 VII+ 21 E3 5b R
	Fungus folks T 5.11a/b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c R
	Go Greyhound T 5.11- 6c 22 VIII- 22 E3 5c PG13
	Heavy Spider Karma T 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b
	Hidden Persuaders, The T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a R
	LojVegas T 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a
	Mo (AKA Nowhere Man) T 5.8+ 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
	Moons Way T 5.9- 5c 17 VI 16 HVS 4c
	Mushroom People T 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b
	Mystery Mushroom T 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b PG13
	No Laughing Matter T 5.10- 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
	One Stop in Tonopah T 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
	Pazookieland T 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
	Psycho Date T 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b PG13
	Raptor T 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b PG13
	Rawlpindi T 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
	Ripcord T 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a PG13
	Rogue Fungus T 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b
	Sea of Holes T 5.10- 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a R
	Serious Business T 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c
	Shifting Narratives T 5.11- 6c 22 VIII- 22 E3 5c
	Simpatico T 5.10- 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a PG13
	Sky Dive T 5.11c 6c+ 24 VIII- 24 E4 6a PG13
	Sniveler T 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b PG13
	Spectrum T 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c
	Super Greens T 5.8+ 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
	Super S T 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
	Table Greens T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
	Tinkerbellfusse T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c X
	Topless Twins T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
	Unfinished Business T 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b
	Valore T 5.8- 5b 16 VI- 14 VS 4c
	Varnishing Fact T 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
	Varnishing Point T 5.8+ 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
	Zen and the Art of Web Spinning T,TR 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a

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Type:	Trad, 600 ft (182 m), 6 pitches, Grade II
GPS:	36.12521, -115.49109
FA:	Larry DeAngelo and George Wilson, 2011
Page Views:	2,326 total · 13/month
Shared By:	George Wilson on Feb 12, 2011 · Updates
Admins:	Luke EF, Larry DeAngelo, Justin Johnsen Page Updates (admin only)

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Access Issue: IMPORTANT notes on Wet Rock and Human Waste Details

WET ROCK: The sandstone in Red Rocks is fragile and is very easily damaged when it is wet. Holds rip off and climbs have been and will continue to be permanently damaged due to climbers not respecting this phenomenon. After a heavy storm the rock will remain wet, sometimes for several days. PLEASE DO NOT CLIMB IN RED ROCKS DURING OR AFTER RAIN. A good rule of thumb is that if the ground near your climb is at all damp (and not powdery bone-dry sand), then do not climb. There are many alternatives (limestone, granite, basalt, and plastic) nearby.

HUMAN WASTE: Human waste is a major issue plaguing the area. The Southern Nevada Climbers Coalition (SNCC) works to provide "wag bags" free of charge in several locations: Black Velvet Canyon, The Hamlet, Kraft Mountain Area, The Gallery, and The Black Corridor. These bags are designed so that you can pack your waste out. Consider bringing one to be part of your daily kit no matter where you go. Once used, please dispose of them properly. Do not throw them in the toilets at the parking areas.

See https://www.southernnevadaclimbers.org/wag-bags for more information on the program.

Description

This route is just as good as Birdland...Minus the bolts!

1. Start on a boulder making a move or two up to a horizontal. Trend left following holds to another horizontal. Trend back right on a blank face(crux)toward a crack/corner and up to a belay ledge. Careful placing pro low as rope drag becomes an issue. This is a heady pitch!

2. Move belay under the corner. Climb the corner and traverse right about 50' and set a belay.

3. Climb the hand crack. Set a belay about 40' above its top.

4. Zig left from the belay then back right. Set a belay below the varnish. This is a short pitch.

5. Climb the beautiful face! Set a belay near the top of varnish.

6. Head up the varnish until the angle eases into a large ramp. Set a belay near the top of the ramp.

Location

Approach as per birdland. From the bottom of birdland scramble up and west until you come to a tunnel. At the back of the tunnel, boulder up and head west again until you get to a large chasm with a black varnished wall. Boulder up to the start.

Getting Down. Head east toward a small notch passing some old pitons along the way. Rappel off slung boulders (original bighorn descent) until you can join the birdland rappels.

Protection

Standard rack...C3's were necessary for the first pitch, dolts and a #8 titon for the pitches above! We climbed the route on double 50's, a 70m single would work for the rappels.