[Hide Comment] It has been a while, and I might not have used the stated starting holds, but this problem felt V4-ish to me. Jul 2, 2010

[Hide Comment] If you are taller this problem could def be v4ish but if you can't reach the jug from the giant foot under the boulder it gets real nasty. Nov 2, 2011

[Hide Comment] I definitely agree. I was stuck on this problem for so long (and I'm about 5'7). I ended up going left hand to the 2-3 finger pocket, heel hooked the starting left hand piece and was able to gain the jug and top out. Apr 25, 2013

[Hide Comment] There's a much cleaner way to do this problem that makes it a little harder and I think aesthetic. That is do not use the pedestal at all. The line was neat and fun, felt like V6. I am short and that may be playing into this. May 4, 2014

[Hide Comment] Great climb. an odd & frustrating problem when first trying it... gets better once you can dial in the opening moves to the midpoint jug while keeping the foot lock. the slopey topout was manky in this heat, ticks on this line (like many in the woods) are definitely better saved for the high friction temps in the fall season. Jul 21, 2014

[Hide Comment] Deciphering Paul's notes, it looks like Paul Baird did the stand start in the early '70s and Neil Pothier did the sit start '87-89 Dec 21, 2015

[Hide Comment] #12 on the beta topo Feb 3, 2016

[Hide Comment] Beta Video: youtu.be/t3lRLVg3D8Y

Maybe not the optimal beta since it was a flash but maybe it is useful for some people. Jul 7, 2020

[Hide Comment] beta video: youtube.com/watch?v=CJkEcl6… Jun 9, 2021