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Devil Made Me Dog It, The S 5.12a/b 7b 26 VIII+ 26 E5 6a
Grandmother's Challenge S 5.12- 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a
Molson's Madness S 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a
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Sanctuary S 5.13b 8a 29 IX+ 30 E7 6c
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Type: Sport, 35 ft
FA: Jim Dunn (tr) 1978, Jerry Handren (lead) 1995
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Shared By: john strand on Mar 26, 2009
Admins: Jay Knower, M Sprague, lee hansche, Jeffrey LeCours, Jonathan Steitzer, Robert Hall

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Sustained on good rock. A nice problem


Under Molson's in the center of the roof.


2 ? bolts or was it 2 bolts and a pin ?


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lee hansche
goffstown, nh
lee hansche   goffstown, nh  
No offense intended but this tells me next to nothing about the route... really what is the point of posting a route you have nothing to say about... im sorry, i normally dont say anything but i take pride in this site and the great information on it... Apr 7, 2009
john strand
southern colo
john strand   southern colo
What do you want Lee a move by move description for a 25' route ?? Live a little, it's only got 6 holds. May 13, 2009
Sandwich, NH
matthewWallace   Sandwich, NH
I agree with Lee and please don't be offended but, the point of The Proj is to go above and beyond the guidebook, so I think this would require a better description. If you read the mission statement you see that the description provided is not adequate. We appreciate all info that is posted because it is better than no description but at the same time a little more information would be wonderful. May 13, 2009
lee hansche
goffstown, nh
lee hansche   goffstown, nh  
couldnt have said it better my self matt, thanks gor getting my back...

John, there are many steps between what you put down and a move by move description, thats not at all what im looking for... Actually, im really surprised that for a person with so much experience and such an aparent passion for climbing you have so little to say about it... May 13, 2009
Peter Beal
Boulder Colorado
Peter Beal   Boulder Colorado
Sorry John but the NH locals (I suppose we no longer qualify) love the details and will call you out on it. May 14, 2009
john strand
southern colo
john strand   southern colo
Sorry lee- it's not that good a route. Have you done it ? I guess if people want move by move then I'm not your guy.

It's like Tenzing said- right foot, left foot , right hand , left hand. I WILL NOT GIVE A MOVE BY MOVE DESCRIPTION OF A 25' ROUTE !!

I agree with Peter, I guess you new guys need the thing handed to you. Jun 1, 2009
Jesse Coburn
Manchester, NH
Jesse Coburn   Manchester, NH
I am with lee on this matter. It is great when people post new routes on here; New Hampshire is one of the more developed areas on this site. I would like information about the route, not a hand and foot sequence including all alternate options. I believe a quick comment such as the crux move is near the top or the bottom, the climbing is sustained, or that the route sucks and wouldn't be climbed on even if it were at main cliff in rumney. Anything that was different about the route or something that you think is noteworthy. Lastly its not about who is the more committed local, or even who is/was a local climber. This site is for expanding and sharing our knowledge about the sport we all love. Jun 1, 2009
Jay Knower
Campton, NH
Jay Knower   Campton, NH  

No one is asking you for move-by-move beta. We are asking for more useful information (history, positioning, etc.). You have added a curt, guidebook-like description. We all own the guidebook and descriptions like this do nothing to further Mountain Project's mission to go beyond the guidebook.

Your statement that we, "need the thing handed to [us]," is both offensive and combative. Please don't make assumptions about climbers you have never met. Jun 2, 2009
Peter Beal
Boulder Colorado
Peter Beal   Boulder Colorado
In John's defense, this particular "route" lacks much in the way of position (it's at the very bottom of a granite cave), quality (a short boulder problem) or history (Jimmy Dunn toproped it back in the day). In principle, I agree that expanded descriptions are better but that maybe this isn't the route to get all worked up about. Jun 2, 2009
Lanky   Tired
I hear ya, Peter, but what you just wrote is way more informative than the above description. I would be perfectly satisfied with your notes added. Jun 3, 2009
Peter Beal
Boulder Colorado
Peter Beal   Boulder Colorado
Fair enough. As I wrote earlier, NH locals want the whole story and on reflection that is probably the preferable way to go Jun 3, 2009

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