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"Big Corner" T 5.10b/c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b PG13
30 Seconds Over Potash T 5.8+ 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
A Fistful of Potash T 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Another Roadside Distraction T 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b
Arc Angel S 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Armageddon S 5.12+ 7c 28 IX 27 E6 6b
Astro Dad T 5.11c/d 7a 24 VIII 25 E4 6a
Astro Lad T,TR 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c
Baby Blue T 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c
Bad Moki Roof T 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
Banana Peel S 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Best Route Ever T 5.11c 6c+ 24 VIII- 24 E4 6a PG13
Beyer Offwidth T 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
Big Sky Mud Flaps S 5.10d 6b+ 21 VII+ 21 E3 5b
Blowing Chunks T,S 5.11b/c 6c+ 23 VIII- 24 E4 6a PG13
Bolts to Bumpy Land S 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c
Broken Engagements 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b A3
Brown Banana S 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Brownie T 5.4 4a 12 IV 10 VD 3c X
Campground Crack T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Chaco-late Chunk S,TR 5.3 3+ 10 III 9 VD 3a
Chemistry T 5.12 7b+ 27 VIII+ 26 E6 6b
ChrisCross TR 5.10+ 6b+ 21 VII+ 20 E3 5b R
Coup D'etat T 5.11+ 7a 24 VIII 24 E4 6a
Dark Horse S 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a
Desp-Arete S 5.12b 7b 26 VIII+ 26 E5 6b PG13
Diplomatic Immunity T A3
Dr Strange Flake T 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b
Dunn Copeland T 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b R
East Of Wrath T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Eat the Rich T 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b
El Cracko Diablo T 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
El Face-o Diablo S,TR 5.11d 7a 24 VIII 25 E5 6a
Enigma Campground Route T 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b PG13
Eyes of Falina T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a R
Faith Flake T 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c PG13
Fernando S 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c
Fist Full of Potash Direct TR 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b X
Flakes of Bongo TR 5.11+ 7a 24 VIII 24 E4 6a X
Flakes of Wrath T,TR 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
Flakes of Wrath Direct T 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c R
Frogs of a Feather T 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b
Good, The Bad, and the Potash, The T 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c
Grama and the Green Suede Shoes T 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Half Pipe T 5.11- 6c 22 VIII+ 22 E3 5c
Hidden Message S,TR 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a
High Over Datura S 5.11+ 7a 24 VIII 24 E4 6a PG13
Holey Moley S 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a
Horizontal Mambo T,S 5.12d 7c 28 IX 28 E6 6b
I Love Loosey S 5.12b 7b 26 VIII+ 26 E5 6b
Jacob's Ladder S 5.10d 6b+ 21 VII+ 21 E3 5b R
Jingus Launch T 5.12 7b+ 27 VIII+ 26 E6 6b X
Jug Roof T 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Junk In The Trunk T 5.12 7b+ 27 VIII+ 26 E6 6b
Just Another Pretty Face S 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b R
Knapping With The Alien S 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a
Lacto Mangulation T,TR 5.10a/b 6a+ 19 VI+ 19 E2 5b
Last Tango in Potash T,S 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c
Lip Balm Addict T,TR 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b PG13
Little Tufa's T,S 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b
Lizard Skills S 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c
Lucy in the Sky with Potash T 5.10a/b 6a+ 19 VI+ 19 E2 5b
Man After Midnight S 5.11c 6c+ 24 VIII- 24 E4 6a
Mephistopheles T 5.13 8a 29 X- 30 E7 6c
Midnight Frightening T 5.12b 7b 26 VIII+ 26 E5 6b
Mini Me T 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
Mini Skirt S 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
Mississippi High Step S 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a
Mother Trucker T 5.11d 7a 24 VIII 25 E5 6a
Neopolitan S,TR 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Nervous in Suburbia S 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
No Fly Zone T,S 5.12+ 7c 28 IX 27 E6 6b
Pedigree Poodles T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Pinhead T 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b
Points West T,S 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b
Potash Bong Hit T 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
Potash Sanction T 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c
Potstash S 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Pounding the Frog S 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b R
Practical Religion S 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a
Puppy Love T,S 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Ralph the Rat S 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c
Rhino Might S 5.12 7b+ 27 VIII+ 26 E6 6b
Right Side In T 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
Ring Pin T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Room With A View T A2+
Room With A View (free) S 5.12b 7b 26 VIII+ 26 E5 6b PG13
Sand and Steel T 5.11 6c+ 23 VIII- 23 E4 5c
School Room Slabs TR 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a
Seam As It Ever Was T 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c
Seibernetics T 5.8+ 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Shadowfax S 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c R
She-la the Peeler S 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Shoot Up or Shut Up T,S 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c
Skeletonic T,S 5.11+ 7a 24 VIII 24 E4 6a PG13
Slab Route S 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Smoke Filled Rooms T 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c
Snakes Slab S 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Something Nasty T 5.12 7b+ 27 VIII+ 26 E6 6b
Static Cling T 5.11- 6c 22 VIII+ 22 E3 5c
Steel Your Face S 5.10- 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Stego Slab S 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
Summit Chimney T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Take A Chance On Me S 5.12a/b 7b 26 VIII+ 26 E5 6a
Tap Root T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Tastes Like Chicken S,TR 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Tempting the Guillotine T 5.12 7b+ 27 VIII+ 26 E6 6b
Tired of Talus T 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c
Top 40 T 5.8+ 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Twittin Shinkies T,S 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c
Two Sides of Purple, The T 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b
Uncertain T 5.11+ 7a 24 VIII 24 E4 6a
Under the Boardwalk S 5.12b/c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b
Unemployment Line T,S 5.10+ 6b+ 21 VII+ 20 E3 5b
Unknown T 5.12 7b+ 27 VIII+ 26 E6 6b
Unknown Chimney T 5.4 4a 12 IV 10 VD 3c
Visible Panty Line T 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Wake of the Flood T 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b
Walk on the Wide Side 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Warsteiner S 5.11b 6c 23 VIII- 23 E3 5c
Welcome to Anexia T 5.12 7b+ 27 VIII+ 26 E6 6b
Willow Whip T 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b
Yogini S,TR 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Zig Zag S 5.10a 6a 18 VI+ 18 E1 5a
Type: Trad, Aid, 75 ft
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Shared By: Stymingersfink on Aug 4, 2008
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Poop Alert! Details
RAIN, WET ROCK and RAPTOR CLOSURES: The sandstone around Moab is fragile and is very easily damaged when it is wet. Also please ask and be aware of Raptor Closures in areas such as CAT WALL and RESERVOIR WALL in Indian Creek Details

Description

A thin seam off the ground, this was an early attempt to put up an aid route on sandstone that would handle some traffic over the years, without loosing it's original feel. The opening half-dozen moves are hooks, till you gain a good nut/cam crack, followed by more hooking to the anchor.

Location

IIRC, it's east of bad moki roof a good distance, look for a thin thin seam going up to an anchor situated about 15' under a medium sized roof. The first drilled hook hole, sleeved with a piece of iron pipe will clue you to the route's start.

Protection

The opening moves were originally beak placements, which were subsequently replaced with Drilled + Sleeved holes to accommodate a talon for these placements. About midway up the route, there is a couple of good .75 or #1 camalot placements, as well as the odd nut placement.

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Luke Malatesta
Moab Utah
 
Luke Malatesta   Moab Utah
 
This route now goes free...there are four bolts on route and new chain anchors.. Jul 23, 2009
Sorry didn't mean to start such a ruckus. Have fun out there and cool to see Potash still has new route potential. Sep 8, 2008
My response was more geared toward Josh...

and as far as the anchors went, I installed with what I had, I'm glad Luke upgraded it in the manner which he did. The aid line can still be climbed in the manner which I intended.. hooks to gear to more hooks.

As far as his free line following it goes, I would have to say not quite. The line I took would be impossible to free, as it was nothing more than a tight seam for the majority of the route. I've since had the opportunity to check out their work, and it looks good. It looks to trend left up some featured face, where they've installed a bolt well off the aid line itself, then crosses to the only natural gear features to be found on the route. Where they went from there I'd have to climb it to know, as I dint really see the other bolts they added, though I could see the chalk residue from their efforts.

:) Sep 8, 2008
Sam Lightner, Jr.
Lander, WY
Sam Lightner, Jr.   Lander, WY
Stym... what the hell are you talking about?
I have no idea how you could take what I wrote as a critique of you and your methods.
I believe aid lines are absolutely legitimate. I do it all the time and know that aid is the means to getting up 90% of the most proud lines in the world when they were first done.
I didn't know 06 was the year, but so what... old was just a guess cus I never see anyone aiding on Potash anymore.
FYI, the line doesn't cross over it a few times... it follows it.
What spray... I simply tried to diffuse an arguement before it blew up. As I understand it, you gave Luke permission to add some bolts. Why the hell would you do that if you want the aid line to remain as it was... and how the hell is anyone else supposed to repeat it as you did it, but still not use pins.
And I dont know if I "got sack", but I can't help but feel that your response here is trying to say you do and others don't.
Also, good for you for taking a stand against leaving an "eyesore"... on a wall that was accessed via a land filled road that was chizzled from the stone in many places. Next time you might think about putting in a brown chain anchor instead of webbing if you want it to hide better. Sep 7, 2008
Josh wrote:This tech. of drilling, sounds a little strange to me. Maybe we (climbers) should consider not climbing in this style. I think we have moved forword from hard aid to free climbing being more important these days.
Sam Lightner, Jr. wrote:I just got off the phone with Josh and I think he misunderstood this. These guys were just freeing an old aid line... nothing for us all to get our panties in a wad for. The line looks really good (for Potash) and when they get it cleaned up I'm gonna be first in line.
No, Sam, I don't think he misunderstood this at all. You see, an aid line put up in the spring of '06 wouldn't really qualify as "old" in my book. ;) The fact that Luke was able to create his own line sharing space with mine says something for him, and I respect his ability to see and follow through with that potential he saw. However, I doubt that his line would have gone up had I not climbed my vision.



To clarify something for Josh.

When I put up the line in '06, I used beaks in an tight seam for the first 25' to a good cam placement. In cleaning the route, it became obvious to me that repeated aid ascents would blow out the seam leaving an eyesore.

To preserve the feel of the ascent, as well as the seam, I installed hook holes with a 3/8" bit and sleeved them with a short length of steel pipe seated flush with the face of the stone. This was done to allow repeated bat-hooking in the fragile sandstone, without altering the feel/appearance of the seam the climb follows.

Your assertion that climbing has moved forward from hard aid to difficult free climbing may be true for you, however this may not be true for everyone (myself included), and quite simply, the free line would not exist had I not been inspired to put up the aid line.

The fact that someone went back and put up a free line which crosses over it in several places, then relies on the anchor location that I chose to use is irrelevant. When I return to install the remainder of the line as I saw in my original vision, I highly doubt that the middle pitches will be free'd, though you are certainly free to attempt it.

Whether my technique of installing an aid line sounds strange or not, the fact of the matter is, I did it in a manner that would preserve the stone and the nature of the route, and will continue to do so in the future.

However... if you feel the need to critique my line or the manner in which I installed it, please lead it before you begin to spray. Only then will your comments have any weight with me.

Got Sack? Climb on. Sep 6, 2008
Jay 1975
Bonedale,CO
Jay 1975   Bonedale,CO
easy, it's just climbing on wallstreet anyway. Aug 7, 2008
Sam Lightner, Jr.
Lander, WY
Sam Lightner, Jr.   Lander, WY
I just got off the phone with Josh and I think he misunderstood this. These guys were just freeing an old aid line... nothing for us all to get our panties in a wad for. The line looks really good (for Potash) and when they get it cleaned up I'm gonna be first in line. Aug 5, 2008
This tech. of drilling, sounds a little strange to me. Maybe we (climbers) should consider not climbing in this style. I think we have moved forword from hard aid to free climbing being more important these days. Aug 5, 2008
Some of the discussion occurring at the time I put this route up can be found here Aug 5, 2008