Type: Trad, TR, 65 ft
FA: probably Ralph Schimdt and Sal Sepson
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Shared By: John W. Knoernschild on Jun 23, 2008
Admins: Burton Lindquist, Doug Hemken, James Schroeder, chris tregge

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Climb a few feet right of "Curving Crack". Move up on small crimps to rest ledge and overhang. Move through overhang on nice jug and layback to top.


Between "Curving Crack" and "Out There"


The pro is is non-existent until you reach the overhang (you could place pro to the left into curving crack). From there is it protectable with small wires and cams.


John W. Knoernschild
John W. Knoernschild   Wisconsin
FA anyone?? Jul 2, 2008
Steve Sangdahl
eldo sprngs,co
Steve Sangdahl   eldo sprngs,co
not sure on the fa on this one .....perhaps the infamous Ralph schimdt and Sal sepson Jul 2, 2008
  5.10+ R
  5.10+ R
I got a directional in a few feet up and then not another piece until the rest spot. I gave it "R" because of the crimpy solo to the rest. Good moves all the way with another distinct crux at the top protected with some ball nuts. Probably not climbed enough. "Out There" (5.9+) to the right of this is also very good and often over-looked. Jun 29, 2009
Michael Sullivan
Seattle, WA
  5.10c/d PG13
Michael Sullivan   Seattle, WA  
  5.10c/d PG13
Does anyone know where the proper location of this route's finish is? Does it finish to the right of Curving Crack at the same ledge? Or does it finish to the right and above Curving Crack as Trad Ninja can be seen doing in photos of the route? Could these two variations perhaps explain the difference in suggested rating from 10c to 10+? Nov 4, 2011
  5.10+ R
  5.10+ R
I would say more is better, so up and right higher is proper. Nov 5, 2011
Chicago, IL
CCas   Chicago, IL
My climbing partner and I got into a heated discussion on what is technically "off" on this line and I wanted to ask the Lake community their opinion. I know you cannot use any part of Curving, but is it acceptable to use any of the rounded corners that eventually turn into Curving on the climbers left below the first rest?

Being a route purest I said no and that it was technically was not park of the "face," but they said it was acceptable... any thoughts? Jul 20, 2014
Burton Lindquist
Madison, WI
Burton Lindquist   Madison, WI  
Well... I know for sure that using those holds off to the left make the grade easier... So call it climbing Deceptive with maybe an easier 5.10 grade? Do and climb whatever you like... there are no real rules regarding that particular aspect of rock climbing. But then later when your recounting (or bragging... talking smack) just be honest and admit you reached off to the left when doing the entrance moves of "Deceptive". Jul 21, 2014