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Touch and Go

5.9, Trad, 370 ft (112 m), 4 pitches,  Avg: 3.4 from 132 votes
FA: Kim Schmitz and Norm Simmons, 1971
California > Lake Tahoe > I-80 Corridor > Donner Summit > Black Wall > 1. Black Wall - Left
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Description

There are a variety of ways to climb Touch And Go (and this section of Black Wall in general). The route as described here is the original version with options on the first and third pitches.

P1 (5.8-5.10a): The first pitch has three possible starts that all converge about 40' up (flaring chimney on the right, Rat's Tooth, or a wide crack to the left of Rat's Tooth). After the converging start, head up some wideness to a big ledge. The flaring chimney is supposedly the original start and is the easiest of the three.

P2 (5.8): Step around an arete to the left, then head up a splitter hand crack. Belay at the base of an obvious corner after the crack ramps out.

P3 (5.9): Follow the stellar corner all the way to Lizard Ledge. The upper part of the corner used to be extremely dirty and the original version of Touch And Go stepped right to the slabby arete about 40-50' up. The corner is quite clean now and most will finish the pitch this way.

P4 (5.7-5.10): Pick one of several finishes off of Lizard Ledge.

Protection

Gear to 4", alpine draws. Fixed anchors at the top of P1 and P3 (Lizard Ledge).

Location

On the left side of Black Wall, about 20' left of One Hand Clapping. Look for the obvious pillar that is the "Rat's Tooth".

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Loads of options in this area, even more than listed here.
[Hide Photo] Loads of options in this area, even more than listed here.
A very striking and unique line. The Touch and Go chimney is as physical as it is beautiful.
[Hide Photo] A very striking and unique line. The Touch and Go chimney is as physical as it is beautiful.
Don't climb chimneys in tank tops. Glorious hand in back.
[Hide Photo] Don't climb chimneys in tank tops. Glorious hand in back.
Beta photo without markings.
[Hide Photo] Beta photo without markings.

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Scott T
Alpine Meadows, CA
[Hide Comment] There are two more pitches to reach Lizard Ledge. From the bolted belay, move left around the corner, climb up easily passing a two bolt anchor for (Empty Sky Direct?) to a great hand crack in a left facing corner (5.7), leading to a sloping belay ledge beneath an impossing headwall.

The third pitch takes the large right facing corner, beginning with a 15 ft crack. Climbing the dihedral directly is fine, but watch out for a bunch of rotten and loose rock - better to climb the crack. Continue up the dihedral, now free of loose rock!, making a perfect rightward traverse to the arete - exhilarating! Continue up the exposed arete to a small roof feature and Lizard Ledge. Incredible pitch! Save some small Aliens for the arete or you'll get runout real quick! Also, long slings are crucial through the traverse and arete. Feb 6, 2011
amselby Selby
Truckee, CA
  5.9
[Hide Comment] the back side of Rat's tooth is great, but Touch and go can go in two pitches and is easily reached from inner recess. From the two bolt anchor on the right, climb up the clean hand crack (5.7) to slab crack then exit right on the vertical very thin crack (5.9) on the left facing wall. This leads up to a chimney/lieback/hand crack with an exciting finish.The upper pitches are just as great as the lower, climb to the top!! Enjoy Sep 17, 2011
BruceB
Reno, NV
  5.9
[Hide Comment] There are quite a few ways to do this climb. This is how I did it on my first attempt. It seemed to work out as a natural line.
Pitch 1: I started the climb by going up the right side of cannibal gulley (5.7?) to the fixed anchors and nice ledge below Empty sky.
Pitch 2: Goes up a 5.7 corner. Nice hand jams with some lie back and face moves. Eases off to a ramp up to a head wall. Natural pro anchor.
Pitch 3: I climbed up the nice clean corner, through the delicate thin crux (5.9) to a small ledge, then I traversed right to the arete. This arete is very exposed with not much pro. You can get a very small cam in half way up the arete. Goes at 5.7(ish) with a 5.8 finish. The exposure on this section is amazing.
Pitch 4, anyway you want to exit Lizard ledge.

On my second attempt (Aug 2012) I went up the left side of Cannibal gulley. The start is harder than it looks. The crack system is not really OW, but it is awkward. Maybe 5.7. The right traverse to the chains is easy but runout.
On pitch 3 I did the 5.9 finger crack that starts about 10 feet before you reach the headwall/corner. This is a really nice sized finger crack that feels very secure. After the crack joins the corner 20 feet up and then reaches the small ledge, I continued straight up the corner rather than going right to the arete. This corner is quite clean now and takes nice hand jams. It's well worth doing and probably goes at 5.8

Whichever way you do this climb pitch 3 is great climbing. Oct 12, 2011
Mike McL
South Lake Tahoe
 
[Hide Comment] Great route if done to Lizard Ledge.

The P1 flare on the right side of the Rat's Tooth is very nice. Somewhat strenuous with few rests. Fortunately that hand crack in the back makes it moderate. Take extra #2 and #3 camalots if you want to sew if up. 3 of each would not go unused. We had 3 #2s and 2 #3s and used them all. Climb through a roof, move left, and belay at bolts. These bolts are below Hungover Hangover.

Alternately you could climb the middle of the Rat's Tooth at 10a or head up the more moderate gully to the left of the Rat's Tooth.

P2 steps left around the corner into the gully. If you started on Cannibal Gully the routes would meet up here. You can belay at bolts to make an intermediate belay for rope drag. If not, head up a 5.7 corner with a hand crack. Belay below the splitter finger crack or the large right facing corner, depending on which variation you do on P3.

We did the splitter crack to start P3. It's short but very good. You can also go directly up the dihedral at the start. There's an awkward move where the crack meets up with the corner. Felt 10a to me. I continued all the way up the corner to Lizard Ledge. I missed the arete. The top of the corner is dirty/mossy but it's got some interesting stemming and laybacking. From Lizard Ledge you can continue to the top or rap. We were able to rap the face with 1 70 meter rope. Just watch your ends. Nov 21, 2011
Patrick Mulligan
Reno, NV
  5.10a
[Hide Comment] Great Route. Did the dihedral the whole way as its been heavily cleaned and was great climbing. When I did this 10 years ago you would not have wanted to do that as it was covered in moss and there were alot of flakes in the lower dihedral. the finger crack of T&G may be a little harder and you miss the airy 5.7 while out on the arete, but its a classic line. Sep 9, 2012
[Hide Comment] HIGHLY recommend linking from the belay bolts from in cannable gully up the hand crack, to the splitter finger crack on the face on your right, into the dihedral up to the bolts on lizards ledge. Really really good continuous pitch with all types of fun climbing! The dihedral is super knobby, very clean, and not that hard, plenty of good gear all the way if you ration your rack wisely. You'd be missing out on a five star 5.9 pitch if you rapped before this. Jun 24, 2013
[Hide Comment] Can we update this page to reflect the most common 4 pitch variant ala Jackson? It goes 5.8, 5.7, 5.9+, 5.6, although I think that first pitch is a stiff 5.8 Jun 15, 2014
Vincent Gallegos
Davis, CA
  5.9
[Hide Comment] Doubles in #2 and #3 works fine. Second pitch is a bit funny and serves as a tiny approach pitch for the third pitch dihedral. If you did it just right you could do this climb in 2 pitches and some rope drag. Wonderful hand cracks and stemming! May 13, 2018
Climbing Ivy
NAZ
 
[Hide Comment] Superb line. If you're comfortable at the grade, gear only up to doubles #3 and down. Placed only two #3 and a #2 on P1 squeeze - you basically can figure-4 one leg behind you the whole way up for great rest. Super secure.

Lots of mirco cam placement opportunities on P3 Aug 1, 2018
Ryan Pfleger
Boise, ID
[Hide Comment] If you want to sew up the first chimney pitch, four #2s and two or three #3s sounds about right. Other wise try walking gear up with you. There are a couple spots for a #1, and the easier climbing at the top of the first pitch takes smaller gear. Seemed hard for me. I actually took a fall, which was surprising as the climbing felt secure but strenuous. But I suck at wide. Sep 19, 2018
Mike Horan
Bishop, CA
  5.9+
[Hide Comment] The p1 5.8 flaring squeeze is all #2s. Even after the chimney it takes another #2. I had trouble getting a #3 in. I brought only 2 #2s and severely regretted it. Jul 9, 2019
Gabe O'Leary
Seattle, WA
 
[Hide Comment] agreed on #2s I took 3 and am confident at the grade and would've appreciate at least one more. once you finish the flare, the section above still takes #2s but I managed with a #1 in a pod on the right side and then a .4/.5 at the lip. Aug 9, 2019
Austin Donisan
San Mateo, CA
 
[Hide Comment] I'm kind of confused by everybody else's comments here. The first pitch seemed mostly #3s; cupped hands and pumpy for me.

No extra small gear is needed for the dihedral besides double 0.3.

It doesn't seem very popular, but the guidebook fourth pitch is pretty awkward. A #5 would be nice, although a 0.2 in a horizontal is good enough to keep you off the ledge until you get a #3 in. Jun 25, 2020
Reed Welsh
Reno, NV
  5.9
[Hide Comment] Anchor at the top of P1 only has one bolt with a chain and ring on it. Not sure if this is old news but I was surprised when I got to the top. We were continuing up to Bourbon St so I just continued around the corner to the other anchor in the gully. It can also be easily backed up by some gear if you are continuing to further pitches higher. May 6, 2024
Nate S
Oakland, CA
[Hide Comment] Pitch 3 is amazing if you like hornets! Sep 29, 2024
Reed Welsh
Reno, NV
  5.9
[Hide Comment] In response to my earlier comment the anchor has apparently been fixed and is now a two bolt lower off anchor again. Oct 28, 2024