Type: Trad, Alpine, 7 pitches, Grade III
FA: Gordon Webster, TM Herbert, Dennis Hennek, 1967
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The large right facing corner system which diagonals left.

Check out Brad Brandewie's 2003 photo trip report and 2004 photo trip report to see what the climbing is like!

Quoting from the topo: "The easiest route on the Perch but somewhat dangerous. Several loose blocks and routefinding problems."


On the West Face.


standard rack.
Brian in SLC
Sandy, Utah
Brian in SLC   Sandy, Utah
Always got a kick out of the commentary on that route topo. Jul 22, 2007
Portland, OR
rpc   Portland, OR
Great route! Picked a wrong crack on topo's pitch 6 (went too far left for whatever reason). Mar 21, 2008
At the risk of looking like an idiot, I'll mention that the Mountaineer's Route is on the West face, about a 10 minute hike left from likely bivy locations. Seagull and Lost Horizons are directly above the bivy and start with a left leaning gully with chockstone topped by a triple tiered roof -- just like Mountaineer's Route. From the large number of bail anchors we found on these routes, others have made the same mistake while aiming for Mountaineer's Route. Aug 31, 2008
If you do this one first your impression of climbs on the EP will be a little skewed. The route is on good but not great rock, and the rating is a bit soft. The other climbs that I did feature great rock and stiff ratings. Mar 25, 2009
Stan Pitcher
Stan Pitcher   SLC, UT
Watch your rope around the tiered roofs on p4. Very easy to get profanity-inducing rope drag here! I would recommend either back cleaning everything till you get to the arete which has great pro or extending the third pitch to the arete and belaying there. This is a very fun climb on mostly good rock. Jul 23, 2010
Tim Wolfe
Salt Lake City, UT
Tim Wolfe   Salt Lake City, UT  
Great route. I have taken my kids up this - yes not as good as the other routes but a classic moderate. The final fat crack slows down the beginners but the rest is easy for most climbers. Jul 2, 2011
Jeffrey Gagliano
Pennsburg, PA
Jeffrey Gagliano   Pennsburg, PA
Just lead this route two weeks ago. Lead every pitch. The route is mostly 5.5 and lower, with occasional sections of harder terrain. An excellent route for the new 5.9 leader. Keep in mind though, this route will not prepare you one bit for other routes on this rock. Sep 13, 2011
Spencer Weiler
Salt Lake city
Spencer Weiler   Salt Lake city
If you are a 5.10 climber and are doing this one as a warmup for the other routes, I highly recommend the wafer of woe pitch on "chasing the dragon" to avoid the two gully pitches on mountaineers. Stellar flake and hand crack climbing. This one is a cruiser route, really fun overall. Jul 25, 2012
Kevin Neville
Salt Lake City
Kevin Neville   Salt Lake City
Climbed this route 8/7/12 and loved it. My first alpine experience and I appreciated the perfect hand jams on the last twenty feet of the 7th pitch. Great route. Awesome rock. Aug 10, 2012
Brian Hestetune
Logan, UT
Brian Hestetune   Logan, UT
I second Stan on the pitch 4 comment. If you don't back clean, I recommend putting a cam up as high as you can in the roofs and clipping the rope directly in. I mistakenly extended that piece with a runner which allowed the rope to sink to low and catch the flake when I took out slack at the top. It is also nearly impossible (impossible in our case) to communicate from the top of pitch 4 to the belayer. Another good reason to extend pitch 3 to the arete. Oct 2, 2012
Cory Harelson
Boise, ID
Cory Harelson   Boise, ID
Fun climbing, and for "the worst rock on the Perch", the rock is still pretty darn excellent. The first two pitches are sort of ho-hum, but the rest of the route is all 4 star. Next time I'll try the alternate start.

We were able to link pitches 3 & 4, and 6 & 7 using a 70m rope. We could have linked 1 & 2 also, but the rope drag would have been heinous. If linking 3 and 4, be careful to either not protect, or protect and backclean under the roof, unless you like rope drag. I clipped the bolt at the hanging belay with a double length runner, didn't protect again until around the arete, and didn't have problem with rope drag. Oct 8, 2012
My first "big" alpine climb. The pitch up to the triple roofs and the pitch exiting triple roofs were fantastic! Amazing exposure and well protected climbing. We did the climb in ~7hrs (3 climbers, 2 of which are guides). Definitely no sport multipitch (2 trustworthy bolts on the entire route), and I wouldnt recommend this as a first multipitch trad route. Still an amazing climb though. Makes me want to do more perch climbs. Jul 3, 2013
We started with the amazing Wafer of Woe variation (the first 5.10 pitch, leading to the second belay on Mtnrs Route). We also did an excellent variation to the sixth pitch, climbing steep cracks to the left of the junky 5.7 corner after the slab, and then traversing about 25 feet right to rejoin the line just below the 5.8/5.9 cracks on the 7th pitch. (Or, maybe this is the route, who knows?) With these variations, this was overall better than Sideline to Astro-Elephant, in our opinion. Aug 7, 2013
Chris Doll
Chris Doll   Spokane
After reading the topo and the trip reports for this route, I was a little concerned about getting off route, however it was pretty straight forward and easy to follow. There were some loose boulders and rocks on the route above the corner of the diamond so choose your holds carefully.

We broke this route into 6 pitches with a 60m rope which saved a lot of time by ending at the following belay stations:
P1 At the tree above the mantle
P2 At the anchors below the triple roof
P3 At the top of the gully below the diamond
P4 In a large crack 5-10' above a large loose looking block.
P5 Above the top of the 5.9 finger crack
P6 Top of the route Sep 16, 2013
Dr. Long Arm
Dr. Long Arm  
Great route. Not as many loose blocks as the topo would suggest. We climbed this in late october, ran out of time/light and got to the top in the dark and ended up spending the night as the traverse to the descent gully was snow covered and dangerous to cross in the dark. Full write up and photos of our trip here: wanderhigh.com/2013/10/27/e… Oct 27, 2013
Thoughts on linking pitches one and two? Anyone? Jul 1, 2014
Boise, ID
Trevor.   Boise, ID
I'm not sure about linking pitches 1 and 2, but We did pitches 1-3 as two pitches by belaying at the small tree halfway up the second pitch. Jul 4, 2014
Avi B.
Avi B.  
Beautiful route! Do-able as a car-to-car, but next time I think I would leave some overnight gear at the campsite by the trailhead and wait for the morning boat shuttle. Sep 9, 2014
As of June 2014, the normal crossing had washed out. A hand line was in place a few minutes upstream. See "area" photos for more detail. As of mid-June 2015, the log bridge was in place across the creek and the approach was nearly snow-free. May 18, 2015
Jayson Nissen
Corvallis, OR
  5.9 X
Jayson Nissen   Corvallis, OR
  5.9 X
When I climbed the route I did the face traverse under the roofs which was definitely X rated. I did this because I read the dashed line on the topo as indicating a face traverse. A fall on this 5.7 traverse from the bolt anchor around the roof will result in a 30+ foot pendulum into the wall to the right.

As Andrews says it is much safer and equally easy to traverse left via the crack under the roof and protect the climb using that crack. Just watch out for getting your rope stuck in the crack when you pull around the corner. Jul 9, 2015
Andrew Mayer
Driggs, ID
Andrew Mayer   Driggs, ID
Cool route. certainly not X or R rated. there is abundant pro in the crack at the lowest portion of the tiered roofs (but as Stan and Brian mention, make sure to back clean and extend to minimize the rope drag) If you traverse lower on the face as I believe Jayson is describing, then yes there is no pro. Jul 10, 2015
Wasatch Back, UT
  5.9 PG13
drewford   Wasatch Back, UT
  5.9 PG13
In light of a recent fatality, see this pic for detailed 4th pitch beta: mountainproject.com/v/11082…

Great alpine route, have fun, but don't go on cruise control just because it's "5.8". Aug 2, 2015
Alisse Cassell
Alisse Cassell   Seattle
Definitely not 5.9! Mostly 5.6-5.7 with a few 5.8 moves, truly. Great climb, no route finding issues or rock worse than typical alpine. Fun! Aug 4, 2015
Careful of the wafer of woe variation mentioned in the comments if you're not a solid 5.10 leader. I did it and thought it was fine but thought the comments were a bit misleading. Seemed a bit R to me, but still awesome. That pitch is part of Chasing the dragons, which has an excellent topo, so look for wafer of woe there. I find this when I was looking for info on that pitch. Sep 3, 2015
Jeffrey Gagliano
Pennsburg, PA
Jeffrey Gagliano   Pennsburg, PA
No exactly sure what the fascination is with linking pitches on a climb like this. It's not that long, it's not that difficult (most of the time). Get a crack of dawn start and you'll have plenty of time to complete it. Oct 26, 2015
At the end of p4 after doing the tiered roofs and then up a gully you arrive at the bottom of "the diamond" where the route then proceeds left. I didn't have a topo and going right looked better so I did. After 100' of climbing a party behind us informed me I was off route so I down climbed. I'd love to know if this variation ultimately goes as I thought I saw chalk and it was great 5.7 climbing. Anyone? Jul 9, 2016
Andy Novak
Bailey, CO
Andy Novak   Bailey, CO
KURT: I think thats Chasing the Dragon. That pitch goes at 5.8. See that climb's topo.

A couple notes on this great climb: Both the leader and follower need to pay close attention when pulling up the slack on the roofs pitch. The flakes make it very easy for the rope to get stuck, but this shouldn't be a problem if the leader pulls slowly and the follower is paying attention. On the 6th pitch, stay close to the corner on the right. There is a 5.7ish looking crack that goes a little left but this is off route. Also, fires are NOT allowed! This is a Wilderness Area, and it was disappointing to see so many ugly fire rings in such a pristine area. Jul 23, 2016
Scott E
Scott E  
Don't expect all the routes on the perch to have similar grading to this Aug 22, 2017
Jay Morse
Hooksett, New Hampshire
Jay Morse   Hooksett, New Hampshire
Somes mixed notes on this climb:

Summit Post's pitch-by-pitch beta was very good. We had no route-finding issues following it. The descent information, however, left a lot to be desired. Expect lots of 4th-class scrambling and at least an hour to find your way from the top of mountaineer's route over to the descent gully. There is a separate "walkoff" to the left, but the word around camp was that it is quite the slog and involved some sections of 5th-class descending. If your second is not comfortable on 4th-class terrain and some low 5th class moves here and there with deadly consequences of a slip, leave yourself time for 3 more full pitches to the summit of the perch. But honestly, if your second is not comfortable unroped on 3rd and 4th class terrain, this is probably not an appropriate route to take them on because of the descent. If you aren't comfortable free soloing 4th class and up to 5.2, this probably isn't an appropriate route for you. Leave plenty of time for the descent and bring your headlamps. If someone here is knowledgeable about the easiest way from the top of Mountaineer's to the descent Gully, it would probably be much appreciated by future climbers.

I do suggest summiting the Perch. It is gorgeous and is a relatively easy scramble down to the descent gully from there. Scrambling down from the summit to that gully looking out at the Sawtooths and down on the Saddleback Lakes with 1000'+ of air below you is an absolute gem and one of the highlights of the day.

I think the route would get 5.9 at City of Rocks for the crux pitch, but 5.8 is probably an appropriate alpine grade. However, don't let all of the comments knocking the difficulty of this climb fool you into thinking that this is a snoozefest with some climbing moves here and there. It is very sustained at 5.5-5.7 for the large majority of the climb and just about each pitch has a challenging move or section that is solidly 5.7 or 5.8, with some sections that are fairly sustained at 5.7/5.8.

If you or your second is short, the opening moves of Pitch 4 (Leaving the base of the diamond, pulling onto the slab) will be the crux of the route. If you have a shorter second, you should leave them a long runner hanging off your first piece so that if they can't do the move and swing out left onto the blank slab they will have something to pull on to get themselves established on the route. Keep in mind that communication will be tough on this pitch - only basic commands will be understandable. Cut the pitch short to communicate better if you are worried about your second on this move.

Standard Rack up to #4 worked fine for me, I didn't think doubles were necessary to keep it G-rated. The #4 is definitely worth bringing up, I used it on almost every pitch and in quite a few anchors.

The rappel out of the descent gully is at the very end of the gully. We used a tree with fresh tat and a rap ring that was to climber's right and a 60m rope got us where we needed to be. Rap slightly towards climber's left. There is another short steep section in the gully a few hundred feet before the final rap, which my second felt more comfortable rapping (off a couple of cams) but there is a relatively easy downclimb to climber's right. Sep 7, 2017
kzoo   michigan
This was a great moderate alpine climb! The photos and comments from MP helped to make route finding easy. In regards to previous comments, I believe the rock quality to be normal for granite/alpine. There was a small section of loose flake/rock on the crux pitch, but nothing unusual. You will encounter this type of rock in RMNP and most granite areas. The north chimney on Castleton had way more loose rock and death blocks than this route. Anyway, the climbing was fun and straight-forward. It is mostly 5.7-5.8 climbing with a crux section of 5.9-. A party above us was having a hard time as the leader felt unprotected on the last part of the crux pitch, she wanted a #4 BD, but a #3 BD works fine. I found this part to a typical granite crack with abundant options for hands in a flaring crack or the use of an outside corner.

Now the descent: previous comments really have highlighted how I feel. The descend off left is a total slog and tends to cliff out 4-5 times before getting to a true gully of sorts. I would not recommend this descent as we thought it would be easier and less time consuming - poor choice on our part. We found bail slings everywhere from previous parties. Finally did 3 raps to get down past the cliff bands. The more popular descent option is to climb approximately 3 more pitches to the top and find the right side descent gully. We talked to several parties afterwards and people were surprised we choose the left descent option. Aug 28, 2018
Kyle McCrohan
Brier, WA
Kyle McCrohan   Brier, WA
Approach: Hike up the approach trail until you reach the first of the lakes just past the base of the Perch. Then turn up and left towards the base of the Perch, eventually going down and left until you get to the base of this route. 10-15 min from the lakes.

The route is pretty straightforward and fun. We made P3 pretty long, linked it with the tiered roofs and rope drag was not too bad. I clipped the bolts partway through and didn't place another piece until I cleared the roof which may have been 20+ feet, but the traverse is 5.5 at the hardest so I felt OK. The final pitch is quite burly with some fist/OW climbing. I placed my only #3 early in the wide section, not realizing I still had another 50 feet of physical 5.8. Got in one tipped out #2 in the next 50 feet, but at least it's secure climbing if you commit.

Once at the top of this route, scramble left maintaining elevation to get off the route. You'll cross a bunch of class 3 gullies before being able to gain the upper plateau and descend. You can also take some of these gullies straight to the summit with a little low 5th if you want. This process takes pretty long, probably 30-60 min. But once at the top of the descent gully, its quick and loose down. Single rappel off the camouflaged bolts on skier's right is how we did it with a 60. Sep 13, 2018