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Routes in c. Frog's Head - the Arch

Arc of a Diver T 5.9- 5c 17 VI 16 HVS 4c
Arch T 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a
Arch Direct T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Baby T 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b
Billy Shears T 5.9- 5c 17 VI 16 HVS 4c
Bloody Bush T 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b
Bloody Mary T 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
City Lights T 5.8- 5b 16 VI- 14 VS 4c
Crusty Waffles T 5.10 6b 20 VII- 19 E2 5b
Drunkard's Delight T 5.8- 5b 16 VI- 14 VS 4c PG13
Easy Overhang T 5.2 3 8 II 8 D 2c
Fetus T 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a R
Frog's Head T 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b
Jean T 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
Kama Sutra T,TR 5.12a 7a+ 25 VIII+ 25 E5 6a R
Maria T 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b
Maria Direct T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Maria Redirect T,TR 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c PG13
Morning After T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c PG13
Night Fall T 5.10b/c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b R
Pas de Deux T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Patty Duke T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Precarious Perch T 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a
Rock and Brew T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a R
Rusty Jam T 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
Rusty Trifle T 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a
Scungilli T 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b PG13
Sixish T 5.5 4b 13 IV+ 11 MS 4a
Size Matters T 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b
Son of Easy O T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Sultana T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c PG13
Sundown T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Trusty Rifle T 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Twisted Sister T 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
Uncle Rudy T 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b PG13
Wrist T 5.6 4c 14 V 12 S 4b
Type: Trad, 200 ft, 2 pitches
FA: Hans Kraus and Dick Hirshland
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Description

Unfortunately MP doesn't have the option of rating this 5.4+. In the Gunks, this means that it's a 5.4 that's particularly gripping. Probably a tough lead for a 5.4 climber so I've called it 5.5.

P1: Start one of two ways: up the corner about 8 feet to an undercling right (5.6) or up flakes about 10' right of the corner (see beta photo). Both lead to a good ledge about 25' up. Then up the corner (steep!) to an overhang - swing left on jugs and pull onto a small ledge with an anchor (ancient fixed pins that you should back up). Belay here or continue up to the GT. Be careful with runners if you want to go all the way to the GT.

P2: Step left and climb up horizontals to an easy flake. Then head up to a fixed pin, aiming right for a crack system that leads to the GT. This part is very nice exposed 5.4 face climbing.

P3: At the GT, step off a big block to the face just left of the huge roof. Climb about 20' up and then work right (crux) below one roof and above the other. Spectacular! At the right end go up a crack to the top. 5.4.

From the GT, you can rappel (two ropes; there is a mid-anchor, but it's really not pretty) from a tree to the right over Drunkard's Delight. From the clifftop, descend via the Uberfall Descent.

Location

An obvious right-facing corner just right of the Jean roof, and left of Drunkard's Delight. Scramble up behind a block to start.

Protection

Standard Gunks rack
It is common to refer to the pitch above the GT as pitch 3. However the belay stance at the top of P1 isn't great and many prefer to go to the GT in a single pitch. This requires a little bit of care with runners to avoid rope drag. Some choose to rap from the GT but you miss a fun pitch if you turn around there. Jul 1, 2016
Kurt G.
Reading, PA
 
Kurt G.   Reading, PA
 
I was looking to do this Climb over the weekend but I'm a bit confused. Can someone explain the 3rd pitch to me? the climb is listed as 2 pitches and the description lists P1 and P2 but then goes into something about continuing to climb after the GT ledge. but all the comments say to make sure you hit the 3rd pitch. I don't quite follow. Jul 1, 2016
Dan Africk
Brooklyn, New York
 
Dan Africk   Brooklyn, New York
 
Agreed that the crux of P1 (undercling/leanback) is committing. You can protect it with a bomber .75 x4, it's an easy reach to your right when you're standing on the ledge. The .75 is a tight fit, you have to insert it sideways and then rotate it, but it's a beautiful placement as solid as a bolt, and it will give you the confidence to pull the move. Just make sure to tell your second how to clean it(A .5 would probably work ok also). Jun 8, 2015
Norm Rasmussen
North Jersey
 
Norm Rasmussen   North Jersey
 
A 70m rope will get you down to what I think is "scramble territory" at the base of the route. Scramble is less than 10 feet. Oct 9, 2014
For those worried about the P3 traverse, before committing into it you can get a shallow but decent .75 slotted in the horizontal where your feet end up traversing. It is a very reachy placement but would protect you almost entirely from the swing. Once under the notch there are bomber nuts to be had.

P2 may be my new favorite pitch of 5.4 in the gunks. Nov 1, 2013
Bowzer
Albany, NY
  5.4
Bowzer   Albany, NY
  5.4
For what it is worth (which isn't much), I did not find the "5.6" move to be reachy either. Overall, I found this to be an exciting lead, with more than adequate protection. Aug 21, 2013
kenr  
After leading it again today, still one of my favorite less-than-5.6 climbs in the Gunks: for the variety of situations, and the fun of the non-difficult moves on positive holds.

Using double-ropes carefully made it easy to protect both me and my follower well on P1 and P3. Jun 6, 2013
Meghan Spiro  
 
I did not enjoy this climb. I did the 5.6 variation of the first pitch, which was the only good part. I'm 5ft 4in and did not find the crux reachy at all. Key feet made for a very fun move. I think off-sets would have been beneficial for gear in the rest of the corner, along with very long runners. Sep 16, 2012
Found all pitches to be pretty fun and the protection to be G with the exception of the pitch 3 traverse. I kind of got a 00 mastercam in, but my girlfriend said when she cleaned it only one lobe was in. Not really a big deal since the traverse has good feet, but if you have a second who might get nervous on a traverse with a swing, might be scary for them. Might not be great with 2 seconds either. Going up through the notch felt awkward for the first move to me but was well protected and easy after initial move. No rap when we reached the top, ended up heading climbers left a ways and going down Baby since no one was on it. Aug 26, 2012
Kevin Heckeler
Upstate New York
  5.5
Kevin Heckeler   Upstate New York
  5.5
From bottom to the top of P3, this is a varied, fun, and sometimes exposed adventure.

Pitch 1 starts with a right-facing (corner) 5.6 move that I find to be reachy, and I have a long reach. But the hands are there and feet become obvious once you commit to the move. A .3 C4 slotted under the obvious hand at the crux helps protect the move. Mar 8, 2012
kenr  
I enjoyed leading it today and didn't think getting thru the notch in P3 was that hard, provided you can reach a certain hand-hold, and have the strength to hang out and feel around to find it -- and it less than 5ft5in tall, some extra footwork.

Seemed like the vertical crack at the crux on P1 didn't like to hold my stoppers. Next time I'll try just sticking some cams into it. Nov 7, 2011
Just climbed this yesterday. Absolutely fantastic climbing, one of the best routes at its grade anywhere. The second pitch is fabulous- steep rock, good holds, decent pro, great views and exposure. I found the crux on P3 to be harder than anything on Horseman, and IMHO it's solid Gunks 5.5 Sep 30, 2010
JSH

JSH    
This is one of my favorite routes, and it's really pretty easy to link P1 and P2 - just clip almost everything at & around the traverse with a 2' runner, then take care to mostly place stuff to climber's right until you've gotten to the P2 crack.

However, with a newer second, definitely do NOT link the pitches ... Aug 30, 2010
I second Mike's question. Any rating opinions?

I followed the pitons at the third pitch instead of moving right and ended up pulling an overhang that felt much harder than 5.4 or even the 5.6 variation of the first pitch. I think I topped out somwhere between Jean and Sixish. I'd give the overhang move a 7 or 8 but that's the perspective of the new trad leader who has unknowingly gone off route and only had a bent old piton protecting the move. Jul 6, 2010
Mike Holmes
Norwich, VT
Mike Holmes   Norwich, VT
Anybody have a sense of what the rating is by skipping the 3rd pitch traverse and just going straight over the upper roof (not the huge lower one)? I did that a year ago and it was a lot of fun, but certainly felt harder than 5.4. Sep 5, 2009
The third pitch traverse is great fun! Bring some smaller cams. Aug 7, 2009
losbill
  5.4
losbill  
  5.4
Great route with nice rock and a nice variety of climbing on it. Overhangs, flakes, jugs, horizontal jug pulling on a face, roof traverse with a little pull to deal with. Does demand a lot of a 5.4 leader particularly in the area of rope management.

Not sure it belongs in the 5.5 category with Ursula, Jackie, RMC, etc. On the other hand you, or least I, could make a case for making Horseman a 5.4. Also not sure it is any harder than Gelsa, maybe not as straightforward, but not any more difficult. All said and done folks probably best to pay attention to what John says since he has at least 20 years experience on me.

Jeremy if I may ask, why only 2 stars. May 30, 2007