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Snow White S 5.10d 6b+ 21 VII+ 21 E3 5b
Stemroids S 5.11a 6c 22 VII+ 22 E3 5c
White Flight S 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
White Head S 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a
White Out S 5.10b 6a+ 19 VII- 19 E2 5b
Whiter Shade Of Pale S 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Type: Sport, 35 ft
FA: Kevin Graves, Brad Singer
Page Views: 979 total · 7/month
Shared By: susan peplow on Mar 3, 2007
Admins: C Miller, M. Morley, Adam Stackhouse, Salamanizer suchoski, Justin Johnsen, Vicki Schwantes

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Better quality than its neighbor to the left and slightly more difficult. Follow up overlap holds with lots of featured holds for your hands and feet.

Good route for the beginner leader.


First route on far right side of wall.


4 bolts to gated shut anchors which share with the route to the left


Todd F
Todd F  
belay stance is in the shade in winter but the route itself gets good sun and the rock is warm. Its fun and makes you think a little bit. I would definitely call it 5.8 because there are some parts where the foot work would challenge a new climber/leader. Dec 23, 2017
Benjamin Chapman
Small Town, USA
Benjamin Chapman   Small Town, USA
Certainly NOT 5.7!
Both White Flight and its immediate neighbor have cleaned up nicely. Not so loose anymore.

Very appropriate and well stated comments duh. Oct 23, 2017
Safty Third
San Diego, CA
Safty Third   San Diego, CA
Same as the other one, I think that this one lost some holds as it has seen more traffic. So don't expect a gimmie 5.7 like other areas at NJC. Nov 6, 2016
Bill Olszewski
Colorado Springs, CO
Bill Olszewski   Colorado Springs, CO
Thought this was a fun route, good rock. Harder than a .7 but easier than the route to the left (Whiter Shade of Pale).

FA: Kevin Graves, Brad Singer Jun 24, 2009
I liked it. I felt it was more like 5.8, which isn't much different than 7+. Dec 11, 2008
susan peplow
Joshua Tree
susan peplow   Joshua Tree
No doubt that this route and it's neighbor are not the destination routes for the crag. That said, they're fine. Easier than all the others which may be nice if you are there with some people not climbing to the same ability as you. They are easy to set up and could be a fun ride for someone who's new to climbing.

Me, would I do them again? Hard to say. I did them the first time looking for quick mileage before going home plus I was able to tick the whole crag. So, maybe I would again....maybe I'd just drink a beer instead?!

Sometimes I'm not that impressed with routes either. Although, I truly appreciate the time, effort and expense route setters go through to create a playground just for me.

~Susan May 6, 2007
Not all routes are "dick wrenching mega classics" (stole that from Todd). I have done the route and was not super impressed, still we don't disrespect other faist by chopping thier creations, and certainly not without carefull consideration, local consensus and talking with the faist first. Brad is a local, socal climber and a nice guy, he has put up several easier routes in the area, The routes he did, are not routes I would have considered putting in however spotting lines, cleaning routes at NJC is not an easy task. No matter how unworthy you may feel his routes are, none of them fall outside the local ethics and are legitimate routes.

Show some respect locker. May 4, 2007
Yucca Valley, CA
Locker   Yucca Valley, CA
EDITED for duh!...

I had originally written "Chop it"

Well, I don't support chopping either...

bad humor on my part...

as for the climb itself...

I was not impressed...

May 4, 2007
Russ Walling
Russ Walling
Better and a touch harder than its neighbor to the left. A bit loose in spots, but will clean up shortly. Survey says, bring on the n00bs! Mar 4, 2007

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