PRINT: Rock Climb Dog Logic (aka Here Kitty, Kitty), Red Rocks

Dog Logic (aka Here Kitty, Kitty)

5.11b, Sport, 50 ft (15 m),

Avg: 2.5 from 144 votes
FA: (TR) Rick Shull, Chris Miller & Tim Fearn, February 1988; First Lead: Geoff Weigand, February 1988
Nevada > Southern Nevada > Red Rocks > (03) First Pull… > Dog Wall

Access Issue: Red Rock RAIN AND WET ROCK: The sandstone is fragile and is very easily damaged when wet. Details

Holds rip off and climbs have been and will continue to be permanently damaged due to climbers not respecting this phenomenon. After a heavy storm, the rock will remain wet, sometimes for several days. PLEASE DO NOT CLIMB IN RED ROCKS during or after rain. A good rule of thumb is that if the ground near your climb is at all damp (and not powdery dry sand), then do not climb. There are many alternatives (limestone, granite, basalt, and plastic) nearby.

HUMAN WASTE Human waste is one of the major issues plaguing Red Rocks. The Las Vegas Climbers Liaison Council and the AAC provides free "wag bags" in several locations (Black Velvet, First Pullout, Kraft Mtn/Bouldering, The Gallery, and The Black Corridor). These bags are designed so that you can pack your waste out - consider bringing one to be part of your kit (just like your rope and shoes and lunch) no matter where you go. Once used, please dispose of them properly (do not throw them in the toilets at the parking area).

Description

Climbs a vertical to gently overhanging wall on good edges to anchors at the lip of the wall. This was the second bolted line on the wall; it was originally a top-rope problem but soon after bolted.

Listed in current guidebooks as Here Kitty, Kitty and rated 5.11c.

Location

Located in the center of the wall, this is the third bolted line from the left.

Protection

4 bolts, anchors (3/8" & 1/2" SS)

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The FA of Dog Logic (5.11b), Red Rock <br>
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Photo by Tim Fearn (February 1988)

The FA of Dog Logic (5.11b), Red Rock Photo by Tim Fearn (February 1988)

Mase and Paul sizing up the crux...that small crimp right below draw.

Pulling into the crux, two micro crimps to a good lip...

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Gary Savage
Las Vegas, NV

The crux was not bolted well on this climb. If you come off on the delicate crux your belayer had better be paying attention to keep you off the ground. Of course one can always stick clip the second bolt and avoid a sprained ankle altogether. BTW if your over 6' the crux is probably 10d, 11c for us short people. Jan 5, 2007

Cunning Linguist

What John is saying above is that because there is a hard starting move, the *crux above* was left unprotected. Now, he didn't bolt the thing, and isn't responsible for what the bolter did. That said, this route was bolted stupidly, and I'd much rather have a spot for the first two moves, then a protected crux with a safe fall, than a bolt-protected AND spotted starting move to an unprotected decking crux.

For what it's worth, I onsighted this climb ground-up my first year in Vegas. It's good climbing, just not safely bolted. Even with a single locker on that first bolt there's no way ankles aren't getting broken on this one, the pucker factor feels more Fixx Cliff than Dog Wall to me the way it is. Dec 19, 2011

Ben May
San Diego, CA

**It's not all that bad. Reach for a critical left hand crimp and move to a higher right hand then you're at the jug. It's a little scary but not bad. It's a short and fun climb.

Oct 30, 2012

yann gauthier
val david

dangerous crux (badly bolted) Mar 5, 2018

Chad Elliott
Denver

5.11c PG13

Better commit to the jug once your halfway through the crux sequence! Mar 6, 2018

Kalvin Hom
San Francisco, CA

5.11b/c PG13

Definitely badly bolted, the crux is high enough past the first bolt that you'll very likely deck. Stick clip the second bolt if you can.

Not a great climb in general, just a hard sketchy crux and then no harder than the climbs to the left. Dec 14, 2020

Jon Appleberry
Yosemite Village, CA

5.11a

Stick clip the second bolt if you have commitment issues. The crux isn't too hard. You just have to figure out which 2 of the 14 chalked holds are the good ones and you're golden! Jan 7, 2021