MattWallace Center Harbor, NH

[Hide Comment] anymore information about location of this route because the second bolted line coming down is The Raven(5.8)... is it just left of The Raven? Apr 6, 2009

Jeffrey LeCours New Hampshire

[Hide Comment] Check out that Lee annotated. Apr 6, 2009

MattWallace Center Harbor, NH

[Hide Comment] Thanks I feel stupid for not seeing that haha Apr 6, 2009

chris deulen Denver-ish, CO   5.11d

[Hide Comment] There is no way on God's green earth that this thing is 11b! If Tropicana is 11a, this thing is at least 11d. Maybe bc the FA was in 1988? Not sure, but way harder than the suggested grade. I've been on 12s easier than this thing. That said, the movement on this route is amazing and fun. Apr 28, 2009

Jay Knower Plymouth, NH; Lander, WY

[Hide Comment] I heard that something broke on this. I haven't been on it in a couple of years (and at that time 11b felt right). Does anyone have more info about a possible broken hold? Apr 28, 2009

Lee Hansche Allenstown, NH... and a van…

[Hide Comment] Ive done it every year for the last 5, 6, 7 years and didnt notice any change... but yeah you do have to work for it mostly down low on the micro crimps... and i havent done it this year yet so we shall see... Apr 28, 2009

christopher adams   5.11c

[Hide Comment] The hold that was used to clip the first bolt broke off a few years ago (see obvious dark spot directly below first bolt). It was much better than the micro crimps afforded now, and served as a much better lock off point to the next moves, as well as a better foothold. In my opinion, it's closer to 11c now. Jul 6, 2009

S. Neoh

[Hide Comment] For me, this route is harder than Sky Pilot for sure. Believe it or not, this route was rated 11a for years BITD. Yeah, Tom grades old-school. :) FYI - I was told the name A & H alludes to hand drilling the holes for the original bolts. Common practice and hard work BITD. The route is a crimpers delight. Aug 26, 2010

Tom Bowker somewhere in the USA

[Hide Comment] Originally this route had ONE bolt. I forget who placed it. Tom Armstrong dialed it on TR then led it then retro bolted it for the rest of us. Oct 31, 2010

Dan R Seattle, WA

[Hide Comment] I think this would be fine at 11b although the guidebook 11c made me feel good. The crimp moves on social distortion are MUCH harder, and venus is a league above that. Sep 23, 2011

chris deulen Denver-ish, CO   5.11d

[Hide Comment] Whoops, years later, guess I was on Pump Up The Volume. Yeah, this thing's prolly 11a... Apr 12, 2012

Rajiv Ayyangar San Francisco, CA   5.11b

[Hide Comment] Dude, change your rating then. Or get back here and climb this rig if you actually haven't. Basically, get back here. Apr 13, 2012

Eric Chabot Salt Lake City, UT

[Hide Comment] I haven't climbed enough 11s to chime in on the grade discussion...but this route is great and safely bolted! Get on it and don't be intimidated, the stances for all the bolts are good. and the movement is fantastic! Straight-forward fun crimping Jul 17, 2013

Jeffrey LeCours New Hampshire

[Hide Comment] Great route with some tough moves along the way. A fun section just before the anchors as well. Please update the "location" part of this description - there are 3 or 4 routes up hill from this. :) Aug 18, 2013

Lee Hansche Allenstown, NH... and a van…

[Hide Comment] updated jeff... so demanding :P Aug 18, 2013

peterfogg

[Hide Comment] I got on this and Sky Pilot this weekend and absolutely adored both of them -- any recommendations for routes of a similar style at any grade would be much appreciated. Aug 29, 2016

Ramona Filipi Lincoln, MA 5.11c

[Hide Comment] To the shorties: Draw on slab can not be placed standing on the ledge and might lead to groundfall. Nice to have someone put it up for you. Jun 3, 2018

Hope for Movement USA, Europe

[Hide Comment] Was my first 11a back in 1993. Ego grade creep guess. Jun 3, 2020

Ethan Vannata Durham, NH   5.11c

[Hide Comment] feels much harder than sky pilot, more like 11c Apr 28, 2021

Alec O Norwich, VT

[Hide Comment] I was onsighting, so maybe I missed something, but the first move felt v4. Oct 24, 2021

Neil Benson Foxborough, MA   5.11c

[Hide Comment] Great route! Almost as fun as Sky Pilot and highly recommended. However, if Sky Pilot is 11b this thing most certainly is not. Even taking that comparison out of the equation, the crux is V3 (even by stiff NE bouldering standards), so that would seem to indicate some flavor of 11+ to me. Obviously not very sustained after the crux, so I think 11c is fair. May 17, 2022