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Whitney Gilman Ridge

5.7, Trad, Alpine, 600 ft (182 m), 6 pitches, Grade II,  Avg: 3.7 from 722 votes
FA: Bradley Gilman and Hassler Whitney, 1929
New Hampshire > Cannon Cliff > Whitney-Gilman Area
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Approach & Description

[Revised description, with History added 11/28/17   Due to a huge number of comments, on 10/13/21 a major “ clean up” of the comments was made. If your comment about ” how I loved the route” isn’t there, be advised it was deleted so that comments with info on the route condition ( esp. safety) would remain for people to access easily. ]

Whitney Gilman climbs the prominent ridge on the left side of Cannon. Interesting climbing, great belay ledges and incredible exposure make this climb a classic one. Edging up the well defined arete is an experience unique to New Hampshire climbing. There is no 5.7 more exposed than the WG.

The climb has NO FIXED ANCHORS at belays (although there is/was (2013) a 2-bolt emergency rap station in the vicinity of the end of P2). There are a few fixed pitons, and those that do exist are decades old. If you don’t have a hard hat, beg, borrow, steal, or buy one for this route.

There are many more potential belay stances than are listed in the route description. The route description is written to be a way to climb the route, not "THE" way. This is a very popular route; if you find you have the route to yourself try pinching yourself, you may be dreaming!

Approach: The approach is long. Expect about one hour of hiking. Park at the “Trailhead Parking” on the south-bound side of “Rt 93” about ½ mile south of the Tramway and the “Old Man Viewpoint”. [if you’re going northbound on “Rt93“ U-turn at the exit for the Tramway/Old Man viewpoint and drive south 1/2 Mile] Register at the box, (don’t forget to sign OUT at the end of the day) and walk south along the paved bike path (passing one “false trail” by a large boulder) about 7-8 minutes to the path with a log. (see photo). The most common error is to walk too far and hike up the “down” trail. (see photo of “down” trail) Don’t hike up the “down” trail; it puts you WAY out of position on the talus. Follow the well-worn “up-trail” to the talus, at the big boulders the main path keeps right, then cairns lead across and up the talus. ONCE AT THE TALUS LINE, LOOK BACKWARDS FREQUENTLY SO YOU CAN FIND THE OPENING TO THE TRAIL FROM THE TALUS; if you back off the climb for any reason, you’ll be VERY happy to be able to hike back on the trail, rather than bushwhack!

See also the alternate approach beta (below Description)

For those who feel they may need it, a user has provided a link to digital tracing map of the approach and descent. See COMMENT for Aug 2022. 

Description:

NOTE: I list 6 [pitches here, but there are many opportunities to run pitches together. Esp. 3 & 4, although doing the pipe" pitch" with your belayer nearly 130 ft below seems more like soloing it. In the "old days" we used to belay on the platform just below the pipe pitch, but that was when the crack took a 2-inch "bong pition" for a bomber belay.)  

The Ridge START- Scramble up 15 ft to the very front of the buttress where a 3-4” vertical crack splits the face. [Var 1, 2]

P1 - Pitch 1 usually climbs the crack directly from the bottom (about 5.7, bring at least a #3 Camalot), or you can start on the face to the right and climb up about 8 ft to a horizontal and then hand traverse left ( reported to be about 5.5 -5.6) into the vertical crack. Continue up the crack system, moving slightly leftwards as the corner veers right. Belay at the base of a clean right-facing corner/vertical crack with old cams “fixed”. (or combine with P2) about 120 -140 ft, maybe more, 5.7 ,

[Note: The “fixed” cams are probably due to leader falls on “tipped out” cams, since the left-hand crack is substantially harder than the “unlikely looking”, but easier, right hand crack/flake.]

P2 –Climb the right-hand edge of the flake/crack, step left to the top of the flake and then move left and up on “unlikely looking” but easy climbing. Then move up and left on much easier terrain and belay about anywhere. Most will try to get close to the “V-groove” one of the key features of the next pitch. If you are doing the 5.8 “exposure” variation [Var. 3] a good belay is on a bushy ledge a few feet up and right. P2 is about 70 – 100 ft 5.5

P3 –Up into the brown rock “V-groove” with pitons ( 5.6) ; [ The “V-groove” has become more difficult than in the “earlier days” of the W-G.] Exit left, and move up into where rockfall has changed the route even more. [NOTE: If you make P3 very short (or P2 long) and set a belay at the start of the rockfall area, you avoid crossing the potentially lose rock which lies pretty much directly above your belayer.] 80-90 ft 5.6 (130-140 ft 5.6 -5.7 to upper belay)

P4 –If you have belayed at the left end of the rockfall area, move right, with some awkward moves, (and rope drag) across the rockfall area to the base of the block with double cracks. Gain the top of the block via your choice of the 4-5” off-width crack or the 1”-2” crack. [NOTE: If you chose the 4-5” crack, beware getting your knee jammed in the crack, the cause of at least one rescue.] Now move out onto the north face for the “Pipe Pitch” [15 ft of very exposed climbing]. With so much exposure it’s hard to say the “stance” at the pipe is slightly claustrophobic but it is. Three pins, and cracks for wire nuts, mark the way ahead. Footing fades and the trick is to move left onto the face for good hands and feet at the last minute. (Somewhat height related) [NOTE: If you think your second may have trouble here, you can belay just above, a bit on the right.] Otherwise, continue up and right, momentarily out on the north face again, and then up a belay. 120-130 ft 5.7 – 5.7+ (about 30 ft shorter if starting from the beginning of the rockfall area.)



NOTES: 1) Variation 3 [described later] ends here at the belay just above the pipe. 2) The pipe is not the original pipe but was replaced after the original “went missing”. 3) The “baby angle” piton, high above the pipe, was driven in Nov 1967 and has held at least one leader fall since then!

P5 –Move up and then left across a large (20ft x 20ft) sloping slab to the base of a beautiful dihedral / crack. [ possible belay here] . Up the dihedral on really fun climbing, then back out on the north face again, and then up and left to a almost flat slab and establish a belay. 100-120 ft 5.5

P6 – Move diagonally left and up for 25-30 ft (occasional piton on the way) to a sort of triangular stance at the base of a shallow dihedral. Directly up this (5.7) past a few pitons (Back ‘em up!) to the top. 70-90 ft 5.7  [At one time the triangular stance held 1 ½ to 2 feet of rock blocks, so you stood much higher, making the crux first moves of the dihedral much easier!]  Recent [2016-2018] reports (see COMMENTS) are that the flakes in this final dihedral are sounding more and more "hollow". TAKE CARE, and climb "softly", i.e no great pulling outwards. 

Variations: 

Variation 1 to the START – This was the “normal” start during the 1960’s and 70’s. Walk up the talus 75 +/- feet beyond the ridge start to a gully in the north wall. Up this, stepping onto a slab at about 70ft, and then back left to a chimney-like formation. Exit east (left) out of the chimney and up an easy section of rock to the belay at the top of P1. 80-100 ft 5.4 +/- (infrequently done now, so there may have been some change)

Variation 2 to the START North Wall of the W-G – Little climbed, but an interesting route, especially if considered as a start to Variation#3 (?!) I gave this its own route. www.mountainproject.com/route/123022367/north-wall-start-of-w-g

Variation 3 – The “5.8 Exposed Crack Variation” (?) See photo “The alternate 5.8…” If you think the “pipe pitch” is exposed this one is sure to grab your attention……On P2 of the normal route (or just above where “Var#2” ends) once you are above the flake/crack and the “unlikely looking but easy climbing”, move up and right to establish a belay below a vertical crack. The variation (P3) starts by climbing the vertical crack (5.8), then makes a mantel (possible intermediate belay) and continues past a spike and a left-facing corner on the north wall (5.7 / 5.7+) to reach the ledge below the pipe. Belay here,[10-13-21 Warning- slingsble block is detached!] or continue up the “Pipe Pitch”, up past the pipe to the small belay mentioned at the end of P4 of the normal route. 165 ft (+/- depending on belay) 5.8 and “5.7+ wild” .

There are variations at the top of the climb, some are mentioned in the COMMENTs.

Descent

Walk straight up into the woods on a well worn trail. The trail heads left and downhill. After a considerable amount of walking, you will reach the bike path. The trail does not go back to the base, so do not leave gear there.

Protection

Standard light rack to 3" (#3 Camalot-sized). Wire nuts are helpful, especially to back-up the pins on the Pipe pitch. The 4+inch wide crack below the pipe pitch can be proteced in a smaller crack on its right, or bring along a #4 or #5.

There are many fixed pins en route, so bring a number of slings. One rope is fine. If it is necessary to rap, one rope will get you down since there are so many ledges. You will need to leave gear, as there are no fixed anchors. Also, a helmet is mandatory.

Alternate Approach Beta

NEAlpineStart has suggested that it might be better to approach the WG Ridge from the Lafayette Place Campground to the south. (Note- this suggestion was made in a pre-Covid era before parking became nearly impossible here ! ) Take the bike path north, pass the W-G descent trail and continue on to the normal W-G ascent trail. (see photos). If you're only gunning for the WG, this makes sense, as when you come down the campground is a short walk downhill along the bike path from the descent trail. Still, 99% of the climbers attempting the WG still use the northern lot.

History

Five decades before the introduction of “sticky rubber” and 25 years before Vibram rubber, Hassler Whitney and Bradley Gilman made the first ascent on Aug. 3rd, 1929. Using the short, natural-fiber ropes of the day (read “rope breaks with any leader fall”), the ascent was done in 17 pitches. No pitons were used for belays, nor for intermediate protection.

The original pipe was installed by Ken Henderson, probably on the 3rd or 4th ascent (Of course, he led the 2nd ascent). The idea was that the rope between belayer and climber would be draped around the pipe, thus providing a “protection” point….of course the “draping” also provided plenty of slack!...BUT, if the pipe didn’t “pull” the rope would run over the relatively smooth rock where the pipe had been driven, instead of over the rough and sharp edge of the ridge itself, thus giving the chance the rope would not break.

Was it easier then? According to G. & L. Waterman in their excellent history of Northeast climbing “Yankee Rock and Ice”, Whitney likened the difficulty to the Alps’ Grepon, about an “old school” 5.6. The Watermans mention changes (between 1929 and 1992) that increased the difficulty. Since this climber first climbed the route in 1966, I have seen changes in the first pitch, the third pitch (the V-groove pitch) and the last pitch increase those pitch difficulties from 5.5-5.6 to 5.7, from 5.5 to 5.6, and from 5.4-5.5 to 5.6-5.7, respectively. The “off width”, leading up to the “pipe pitch” has gone from an “easy” foot-and-hand/fist 2” jam crack (actually smaller than 2” since a 2” bong-piton fit perfectly) to today’s “knee catching” size. However, to me, the “pipe pitch” seems unchanged in that time frame. My opinion: the climb as a whole has gotten more difficult, but the crux remains about the same as 50 years ago.

Photos [Hide ALL Photos]

Another beta of the route...
[Hide Photo] Another beta of the route...
Just a perfect September afternoon in New England!
[Hide Photo] Just a perfect September afternoon in New England!
Dave Walters just below the 'Pipe' on a winter ascent of the 'WG' in 1980.
[Hide Photo] Dave Walters just below the 'Pipe' on a winter ascent of the 'WG' in 1980.
Exposure anyone... looking about 400 feet down from the pipe pitch crux...
[Hide Photo] Exposure anyone... looking about 400 feet down from the pipe pitch crux...
The Whitney Gilman Ridge, Cannon, NH.
[Hide Photo] The Whitney Gilman Ridge, Cannon, NH.
The normal (5.7) route is the green line... follow the red short cuts for a more direct and slightly harder route (5.8 and 5.9 variations)...<br>
large file, zoom in for detail...
[Hide Photo] The normal (5.7) route is the green line... follow the red short cuts for a more direct and slightly harder route (5.8 and 5.9 variations)... large file, zoom in for detail...
The normal (5.7) route is the green line... follow the red short cuts for a more direct and slightly harder route (5.8 and 5.9 variations)...<br>
large file, zoom in for detail...
[Hide Photo] The normal (5.7) route is the green line... follow the red short cuts for a more direct and slightly harder route (5.8 and 5.9 variations)... large file, zoom in for detail...
Dave Walters above the 'Pipe' pitch on a winter ascent of the 'WG' in 1980
[Hide Photo] Dave Walters above the 'Pipe' pitch on a winter ascent of the 'WG' in 1980
Shot of the arete
[Hide Photo] Shot of the arete
Matt Ritter Leading up the 3rd pitch<br>
[Hide Photo] Matt Ritter Leading up the 3rd pitch
Nice exposure on this one
[Hide Photo] Nice exposure on this one
Middle Section W-G Ridge
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Comments [Hide ALL Comments]

Dominic Albanese
Baltimore, MD
[Hide Comment] Highly recommend doing the 5.8 crack/corner on the 3rd? pitch. Eats two #1 camalots and puts you a great ledge on the overhanging right face a little earlier. A nice face pitch links into the pipe pitch from here.
Staying right higher up 5.8+ also yields some nicer rock. Took 3 tries to finally get a good day to do this one and will always remember it. A truly great route with a feeling hard to get east of the rockies. Nov 7, 2007
Mike Caruso
  5.7
[Hide Comment] In 1998, the 5.8+/5.9 finish through the v-groove off the featureless slab had a loaf of bread size loose block that had to be maneuvered around at the crux. It probably upped the grade a bit, but it was an exciting finish to this great line. Of course my party advised me to lead that alternate finish because it was easy! Mar 13, 2008
Jay Knower
Plymouth, NH; Lander, WY
 
[Hide Comment] It's easy to get off route on the WG. When people get off route, they are almost always too far left. So, if you are comfortable on 5.8ish terrain, I'd say that you should always choose the right option if confronted with a routefinding choice.

If you go way left, you'll end up in a vertical scree field; however, too far right will take you around the corner onto the Across the Great Divide face (A4). It's unlikely that, while free climbing, you would find yourself on A4 territory.

So, on the WG, be like John McCain, and keep heading right. Jul 16, 2008
Lee Hansche
Allenstown, NH... and a van…
 
[Hide Comment] Found some pretty good footage of the route on you tube:
youtube.com/watch?v=VGlbB6y… May 2, 2009
john strand
southern colo
 
[Hide Comment] my first lead in NH, 11/77. I'm not a big fan of Moby Grape (except Reppy's) and think this is a better route. Feb 17, 2010
lperitz22
Berkeley, CA
[Hide Comment] Detailed route description here:
chauvinguides.com/gilmangui… Aug 25, 2011
Robert Hall
North Conway, NH
  5.7
[Hide Comment] I climbed this route for the first time in about 35 years this past Monday. A Monday and we left the car at 9am and were 3rd on the route. Took the "front crack" start- and I thought I was getting old and weak until I read Marc Chauvin's description, he felt it was 5.7 ( as I did, 'crux' low, before easy protection). Much has changed in 35+ yrs. The "V" groove on P3 is more way more awkward; the 5"-6" off-width on P4 used to be only 2" wide and an easy jam, especially with boots. On the last pitch, after the traverse left, the inside corner started "on a pile of rubble"; the rubble is now gone and as a result to initial moves up the corner are now much harder, 5.7 vs. 5.4 or so. Plus, the 5.7 move(s) are on less-than-the-most-secure flakes.
BTW-I didn't notice too many "terrifying" lose blocks on the ledge above the "V" groove and we actually belayed here. In general, I felt the route was pretty much fairly clean for a "mountain" route. Sep 24, 2013
Peter Lewis
Bridgton, ME
[Hide Comment] Just to clear up a little history: the pipe that is now in situ on the famous "Pipe Pitch" is not the pipe pounded in by the FA party. Pipes have come and gone over the years, and the original pipe is probably in the corner of a garage somewhere. So, don't think you're girth-hitching a historical artifact when you wrap the pipe (and you will wrap the pipe, if the current incarnation is sticking out far enough), but it is in the same place and the whole situation is just plain amazing. Oh, and there is a knee-sized crack in a block just before the pipe pitch; and yes, your knee may well fit in it, and you may feel a certain temptation to do that. But please, for the sake of the poor slobs who will have to come up later that evening lugging a grease gun and a crow bar, DON'T DO IT! Feb 6, 2014
Robert Hall
North Conway, NH
  5.7
[Hide Comment] Since the correct trail UP to the W-G seems to be an issue, I have posted photographs of the correct UP and DOWN trails...hope this helps. [also the previous 2 comments abut this were deleted as part of a 'general cleanup' of older comments.] Aug 14, 2014
David Lottmann
Conway, NH
 
[Hide Comment] Detailed trip report with photos here

Trip Report nealpinestart.com/2015/11/0…

Of note is approaching from the parking at Lafayette Place (from the south) is better than approaching from the traditional climbers parking lot. Details in Trip Report Nov 5, 2015
Silas Miller
Conway, NH
[Hide Comment] While the route is undeniably cool, I don't think I will ever climb the pipe pitch again. I've climbed some loose stuff, but this tops the list. Some poor soul is going to fall on one of those ancient pitons, or worse a cam placed behind any of the blocks, and 150ft of this route is going to come down. I know tons of people climb it every day, and will continue to, but that just means someone is going to be in the wrong spot when the Jenga pile releases. It's just the fact that it's not a couple loose blocks, but and entire pitch of small, vetically oriented blocks stacked on more blocks. When one goes, they are all going! I just wanted to put that out there, I'm going around next time. Nov 22, 2016
Jonathan S

  5.6
[Hide Comment] Trust the pitons, they're good. A few aren't great but most are solid and we'll placed with only cosmetic rust.

I've taken falls on worse looking pins in Mexico, and they're as solid as the one on the Saigons at Cathedral.

As of July 30th, 2017, most of the pitons on the main route are solid and should give you confidence. Jul 6, 2017
Kurt G
Monticello, UT
[Hide Comment] just wondering what the best guidebook is for this climb/area for a first time visit here? Dec 13, 2017
Robert Hall
North Conway, NH
  5.7
[Hide Comment] The best current guidebook for the Franconia (Cannon)-Crawford Notch areas is The Notches by Jon Sykes (eaglecliffpub.com). It does not cover the mostly-sport area of Rumney which has it's own guidebook. Further east in the North Conway and Kancamangus area(s) the best guide is North Conway Rock Climbs by Jerry Handren.

If you like history, try to get an out-of-print Ed Webster Guide to the White Mtns East . Dec 13, 2017
Robert Hall
North Conway, NH
  5.7
[Hide Comment] Nick....agreed; although I'd worry more about inexperienced leaders; as several COMMENTers have said, someone, someday may ride one of those last-pitch flakes down. The last pitch is also more difficult than it used to be. (now about 5.6-5.7 vs 5.4-5.5) Jan 11, 2019
Bogdan Petre
West Lebanon, NH
 
[Hide Comment] Lots of comments about loose rock. They are correct but I think people are spoiled. Lots of alpine rock routes suffer from similar looseness or worse, and experience in this kind of terrain is helpful if you aspire to climb in bigger ranges like the Rockies or the Alps. The route remains safe if you climb delicately and in balance, and if you protect appropriately (some smaller gear can be helpful).

Wear a helmet. Should go without saying but based on a party I saw below us apparently it needs to be said. If you're climbing routes like this (loose, popular, subject to the elements and freeze/thaw) you should be prepared to get bombed eventually. Aug 15, 2019
Bradley Smith
Glen, NH
 
[Hide Comment] Route is awesome and exposed. If 5.7/5.8 is your limit, I would consider having someone else lead the harder pitches. Solid protection can be hard to find, as the rock quality in some places is poor at best (i.e. protection isn't really doing anything). As a result the route can be run out. Have a standard rack plus some smaller pieces (BD: 0.3 - 0.5) and doubles of 0.4 - 0.75. If you are dong the 5.8 variation of pitch 3, doubles of BD 1 is useful to protect the hand crack, (if your an awesome crack climber that's probably not necessary). Sep 28, 2020
Bryan Conway
Tacoma, WA
  5.7
[Hide Comment] Anyone ever top this out and then hike up to the summit of Cannon rather than taking the descent trail? Wondering how tough it would be to bushwhack up through the trees, and if the talus fields above Cannon cliff can be bypassed or are safe to ascend. Mar 17, 2021
Robert Hall
North Conway, NH
  5.7
[Hide Comment] The toughest part is probably going to be from the top of WG to about the top of Sam’s / Moby Grape. I don’t know how cleared the winter path is from Blk dike to w-g, but it’s probably worth finding for that small section.
You get into slabby area beyond Sam’s and after that you can get to the top of the old man reasonably easily. Then you have to bush crash to the hiking trail and take that to the summit. Any direct attempt is going to be horrendous. Map, compass and/GPS that shows the trail and where you are all very helpful.
My recollection from years ago was it took about an hour from the top of old man to summit. Probably an hr from W-G to the old man.

If you get to the Old Man and don’t want to do the bush whack there’s a climbers path down that starts from where the concrete runoff channel ends. Mar 17, 2021
Derek Ehrnschwender
Cambridge, MA
[Hide Comment] If you do Var 3 and stop to belay on the ledge above the 5.8 crack, beware that the slingable chunk of rock with a nice-looking .75 crack on the left side is NOT connected to the cliff and is sitting on top of loose smaller rocks that move at the touch. I didn't feel the big slingable rock move at all, but a fall from your second could bring it down if you build your anchor on/behind it. There are other options for anchor building, but you will need to look for them and get creative. Oct 12, 2021
Josh Rappoport
Natick, MA
[Hide Comment] Climbed this yesterday for the first time and really enjoyed it! I was leading P3 and towards the end got to a very nice ledge with a big (15-20') block on the left with a small finger crack going up with an abandoned CAMP nut down low and another old placement in the horizontal up high. The right of the block met the main wall in a bit of awkward offwidth with a mantle. I climbed up the offwidth to the top of the block, didn't see a good way around to the start of the Pipe pitch to the right, and then downclimbed back to the ledge, set my belay in the finger crack and then brought up my partner who then led the Pipe pitch starting from there and going right directly up past a small flake with a chalk X on it.
Does anyone know about this and what you are meant to do when you get to the top of that block? The way right from there seemed very sketchy to me...
Thanks!!! Oct 13, 2021
Yan Yin
New York, NY
[Hide Comment] We climbed this in July 2020 and I led every pitch. Starting at the Pipe Pitch, the top half of this route is very loose, not just individual blocks but entire areas of fissured rocks stacked on top of each other. Every winter the ice pushes the blocks a bit looser. This is all going to come down at some point. Climb lightly, watch where you place your pro, and for god's sake try not to fall onto questionable gear. This is a hell of a route, an amazing adventure at a relatively easy grade.

At the very start of the second pitch after you have climbed the short crack to gain the top of the small pyramid, make sure you continue to move up and left (through the "unlikely" section as described in the description). Don't try to traverse right like I did at this point. I ended up in some unexpectedly impossible posture and took a fall on an absolutely ancient piton. Thankfully nothing happened. Once I got back on track the rest of this route was pretty uneventful. Dec 3, 2021
[Hide Comment] If you climb the 3rd pitch 5.8 variation crack, definitely keep going straight up through the Pipe Pitch for one long, exposed, and stellar pitch. Jun 8, 2022
Chris Sharkey
Boston, MA
[Hide Comment] Map of the approach and descent trail - caltopo.com/m/3N719 Aug 15, 2022
Robert Hall
North Conway, NH
  5.7
[Hide Comment] With all due respect to the “ future”, if you need to follow a dot on your smart phone to find the Whitney-Gilman, given both the photos and descriptions given here, and knowing that once you break out of the trees the W-G is one of the most prominent mountain features east of the Rockies, if not the whole USA, THEN perhaps it is best you not venture this far from the state highways in the WMNF.
That being said, I will now drop back and approve the comment above. Aug 15, 2022
Mike Wilkinson
Lexington, KY
 
[Hide Comment] Easily linked p1-2 (fresh blueberries at the belay!!) with a single 70m and did a longer version of pitch 4 past the foot traverse left and belayed at the base of the thin layback on small gear and a large stopper (no pins here.) Partner unknowingly led the last pitch straight up for the 5.9 variation as noted in the Sykes book, which he thought was pretty awesome. Lost the descent trail for a few minutes but found it again and was back at camp pretty soon. Took us just under three hours to do the climb, about 5 hours campsite to campsite. With all of the beta photos here and pins scattered along the way, I found the routefinding to be super easy. I think we clipped more pins than we placed cams.

Compared to other mountain climbs I've done in the beartooths, winds, tetons, etc I didn't think the rock on this route was particularly loose or bad, maybe in a few spots there were loose blocks but I've come to expect that on routes like this. Aug 18, 2022
Cove G
Norwich, VT
 
[Hide Comment] Little friendly reminder... please be sure to include your partner's name when shouting verbal commands and there are multiple parties on the cliff... the last thing you wanna hear is a voice much like your own belayer's shouting "belay off" when you're on a puckery section! Making names a habit can keep both you and the parties around you safer, thx Sep 8, 2023
[Hide Comment] Did WGL for the first time yesterday and had a blast. Just us and one other group on the route. My partner and I linked the first two and last two pitches and found it very smooth w/ 70m rope.

2 questions/ comments about the route after doing it:
While linking the last two pitches I kept real close to the arete and ended up going back on to the north face at the manky pin that Alex mentions in their Sept 2016 comment. The extra exposure was pretty fun, but it was a bit chossier than the rest of the route. Is this considered part of the 5.8 variation? My partner and I agreed it was probably the single hardest section of the climb, but good value, if you wanna spice the up the route towards the end

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Also, while we were at the top of the third pitch a relatively large air-force-looking plane flew well below us. It seemed pretty crazy to me, but I admittedly know nothing about airplanes and I'm still pretty new to the area. Does this happen often?

To answer: You may have climbed the 5.9 variation to the top pitch. This ( if it was where you were) is independent of the lower-down 5.8 variation which ends at the pipe pitch.
Both the US and Canadian air forces practice mountainous terrain flying in the White Mtns. Just last week a “ Warthog” passed over me about 200 ft while I was on Willard. Sep 15, 2023
Nhan Ngo
Bangor, ME
  5.7
[Hide Comment] Last year when we hit the flat on the decent trail we followed something for what seemed like forever until it met back up with the bike path, I think it was the pemi trail. This year at this time (late august) when the flat hit the trail was grown and hard to follow, so I decided to just bushwack in a straight line until we hit the bike path. Going on the bike path instead of hiking through the woods forever after you've already been in the woods forever is definitely the move. Your legs and sanity will thank you. Aug 31, 2024
Detto33
Gilmanton, NH
[Hide Comment] I noticed at (or very near) the top of the route, if you look down over the right edge, there are some rap rings. What's the deal with these? It seems to me that it may be possible to rap down this in three goes with well-placed rap stations and 60m twin ropes. I wonder how this descent would compare to the standard path. Rapping would be nice, but going down the talus field doesn't seem too fun. Thanks for any info on this!

Edit- The anchor mentioned MAY(?) be part of, or top of, the route Across the Great Divide. A bigger issue than going down the talus is any rap from near the top puts you into the Black Dike, not a “ nice place” to be in summer. R. Hall,Admin Sep 14, 2025
Harry Averill
Bangor, ME
 
[Hide Comment] Dude, this route is golden! $$ pitches ALL the Way Up! Soo good, I found myself dreaming of routes at each belay! gorgeous. East Coast dont got high elevation exposure, but gosh darn its such a fun adventure for a day! Good solo or even winter route with all the good ledges and positive holds/cracks, if your into that kinda deeal :) 2 days ago