Type: Sport, 50 ft
FA: D. Lutes, H. Loeffler, D. Whelan, 1992
Page Views: 1,736 total · 12/month
Shared By: Tony B on Oct 4, 2006
Admins: saxfiend, Jason Halladay, Shirtless Mike

You & This Route

39 Opinions

Your To-Do List:

Add To-Do · View List

Your Star Rating:

     Clear Rating

Your Difficulty Rating:

-none- Change

Your Ticks:

Add New Tick


A 2-star climb that can be a 4-star classic if continued directly past the anchors and through L'ile Au Ciel for a 100' pitch. The climb was originally rated 5.12a, but I doubt it is really that hard. 11d might also be generous.

Locate this climb just right of Headstone Surfer and head up past 5 clips on crimps and smaller pockets to a ledge and anchors- put a longer runner on the anchors and continue into L'ile Au Ciel for 7 more clips plus anchors.


Just right of the Headstone Surfer dihedral there is a slightly overhanging, bolted face leading up to a ledge (Hardcore Jollies) and from that ledge a wild overhanging prow with a wide scoop up it's center, perforated by pockets (L'ile Au Ciel).


5 bolts for H.J. plus the anchors, or better yet, 5 for H.J., one longer sling for the anchor, and 7 more draws for L.A.C. plus a few for the anchors on that.
You need a 60M rope to lower off to the ground, but you can lower to the anchors on the ledge with a 50M and belay from there, then rap to the ground.


lee hansche
goffstown, nh
lee hansche   goffstown, nh  
Fun interesting moves.... i thought 12a (v4 crux) seemed right for me, i think it might be harder than that for shorter folk... Nov 14, 2010
Las Vegas, NV
J W   Las Vegas, NV
If you're any shorter than 5'10" or so, this thing is definitely .12 something. Reachy defined. Oct 30, 2011
Felt like a legit 12- for the first few clips, but eases up considerably. Jan 31, 2013
Jack Sparrow
denver, co
Jack Sparrow   denver, co
Hey tony is there any route you have added online and not downgraded. Just curious, I'm sure in eldo this would be 5.9+. Righhhhht Nov 15, 2016
Tony B
Around Boulder, CO
Tony B   Around Boulder, CO

Although I don't take you for serious to quibble about a single letter grade, it is an interesting question with regards to this rock.

Yeah, I've upgraded plenty too, about the same number as downgraded.
I formed my opinions about RRG when I was a local there in the early 90's. (Before climbing in Eldo).

Here is the history as I recall it, from when I was climbing, Primarily with Lynn, but a bit around with the rest of the guys who were down there and developed Funk Rock.

Hardcore Jollies was initially rated 12a by Lutes and Loeffler, which is why I didn't get on it at first. Gung Ho, the Reliquary and Tissue Tiger had put the fear of the 5.12 grade in me. And to note, Gung Ho was 12a at the time as well. So I'd kind of drawn a line at 11d for on-sighting. But the route became more broadly considered 11d, being easier than the 'classic' 12a's which preceded the development of this crag. So I finally tried it. thought it more like JackMac, Government Cheese, and BBBB than Gung Ho, Reliquary, or Tissue Tiger.

To note Loeffler also initially rated HeadStone Surfer as 5.10d (and it was published as such), but it is a consensus 10a. Hugh has a mighty wingspan and seemed to add to a grade to account for that. I think that was a factor in many of his early 90's grades. Or at least that is what Lynn Watson, our mutual climbing partner had to say about it. It is also what the route title 'Take That Katie Brown' is about, as she was running up his hard FA's and making light of the grade, but he found a really reachy crux.

So, 11d or 12a?
I don't know. When I put the route on the site here, I expected the consensus to be 11d, but I see that a majority of people said 12a. OK with me. Have fun on Frugal Chariot, (right next door), Twinkie, the Gift, Way Up Yonder, etc. They are "also 12a." Yep, same grade! Nov 15, 2016
Sarah Canterbury
Charleston, WV
Sarah Canterbury   Charleston, WV
I expected this to be super hard for me at 5'0 because so many people complain about it being "reachy." It was not bad at all - there are a few bigger moves down low but a lot of high feet throughout. Nov 28, 2016