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The West Face

5.11-, Trad, Alpine, 500 ft (152 m), 6 pitches, Grade III,  Avg: 3.8 from 309 votes
FA: Fred Beckey and Dave Beckstad, 1965 FFA: Steve Risse and Dave Tower, 1985
Washington > Northwest Region > Hwy 20 & N Casc… > N Cascades > Washington Pass > Liberty Bell Group > N Early Winter Spire

Description

This and the neighboring Northwest Corner Route are two of the finest alpine rock climbs I have had the pleasure to yet accomplish. Great movement, committing moves, huge exposure, beautiful position: some of the best climbs in the Washington Pass area.

P1: The West Face shares its first pitch with the Northwest Corner, a somewhat dirty face up to a chimney with trees above (5.8). From here, move the belay up 3rd class terrain to a huge sandy ledge at the base of a large corner, the base of the second pitch. 160ft. (5.8)

P2: Climb a steep right facing corner with good cracks and gear. 60 feet to a good belay ledge at a wide. It is recommended to belay here as it will reduce rope drag on the next pitch. 60 ft. (5.8)

P3: Take a low angle crack up to large #6 lieback flake. Follow flakes up to an airy step right from the flakes to a bolt and then sustained 5.9 undercling/liebacking right and then up into a corner crack/lieback that contains a piton. Follow up into easier climbing on cool rock and then step out left when the crack of the crux pitch becomes visible. Belay on a ledge below the finger crack. 90 ft. (5.9+)

 P4: The crux pitch (5.11-) begins at the end of the undercling, so get psyched. Climb the thin tips (!) crack up and a little left until it eases up and you can step left into the next crack system. Build a belay here (~60 feet up) or continue up another thin finger crack (5.10c) until it opens up to 2" and eases off to 5.8. Set up a hanging belay here. 150 ft. (5.11-) 

P5: Follow easier low angle crack climbing Eventually the crack will end and you will need to make a friction slab traverse right into another broken crack system that will continue to the top of the route.  Build a gear anchor or continue another 50 feet up to a bolted anchor where the chockstone rappel is. Be careful off rope drag after the slab traverse. 150ft. (5.7)

There are certainly different ways to break up the upper pitches, it can either go as 2 or 3 pitches based on your comfort level, rope drag and amount of gear available for anchors. 

The original descent is down and (skier's) left of the summit and descends into the notch between North and South Early Winter Spire. Three single rope raps bring you down to the notch (often snow-covered), another gets you off the large chockstone (a fun, free-hanging rappel), and some scrambling and down-climbing (or a short 30 foot rap on a tree) get you back on the ground. 

A newer descent starts about 15' climber's right of the end of the finishing jams. There is four fairly new bolted rap stations and a tree rappel for the last section. 

Location

Look for the low angle cracks leading to a tree-topped chimney left side of the west face as you approach the base of the tower. Shares the start with NW corner. 

Protection

Doubles from 0.1"-3". Consider bringing triples of tips/fingers if climbing at your limit. Wires can be nice as well. The crux pitch 5.11- and the 5.10 above it eat small stoppers like candy. 

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Micah leading crux pitch
[Hide Photo] Micah leading crux pitch
Rappelling over the chockstone
[Hide Photo] Rappelling over the chockstone
Finger crack pitch
[Hide Photo] Finger crack pitch
So its really good, if thats not all ready obvious.
[Hide Photo] So its really good, if thats not all ready obvious.
Matt coming up the 2nd pitch
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North Early Winter Spire,
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West Face
[Hide Photo] Matt coming up the 2nd pitch North Early Winter Spire, West Face
Second finger crack, after the crux
[Hide Photo] Second finger crack, after the crux
Leah Pappajohn following pitch 3
[Hide Photo] Leah Pappajohn following pitch 3
Looking back on the 3rd pitch
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North Early Winter Spire
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West Face
[Hide Photo] Looking back on the 3rd pitch North Early Winter Spire West Face
It do go down
[Hide Photo] It do go down
BC wildfires filled the air with smoke, adding at least one grade to this climb ;)
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North Early Winter Spire
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West Face
[Hide Photo] BC wildfires filled the air with smoke, adding at least one grade to this climb ;) North Early Winter Spire West Face
Corner crack system on the start of pitch 2. So much fun!
[Hide Photo] Corner crack system on the start of pitch 2. So much fun!
Looking down the upper finger crack after the crux section.
[Hide Photo] Looking down the upper finger crack after the crux section.

Comments [Hide ALL Comments]

Brian E
Western North Carolina
[Hide Comment] This is a fantastic climb in an amazing area. The thin 11- crux is short and hard. I found the jams and locks to be really technical. The last pitch felt easier than 10c. I seem to remember it rated as 10a in our guide, but it's a really good pitch too. I dragged a #5 all the way up there but it was too small for the wide crack. Feb 3, 2009
Kip Kasper
Bozeman, MT
[Hide Comment] with a 70 you can make it to the top from the stance above the 10d crux pitch. fantastic route. Aug 1, 2011
Johnny MacKinnon
Hyde Park, VT
[Hide Comment] Kudos to the folks who bolted the descent (Thanks CJ)! Great route. 60m won't make it to the rappel anchors if you try to link the last 2 pitches. I tried and got very very close. I recommend making a belay when you can because it gets slabby and crackless if you go too high. Aug 21, 2011
[Hide Comment] Great route in an amazing setting. This climb is very accessible for the solid 5.9 trad leader if you don't mind aiding the 30 ft crux section of p4 and pulling on gear on a couple moves of p5. I was able to get a workable #5 in the wide crack with some fiddling to avoid the potential factor 2 on the belay anchor.

We got a late start but can say its very reasonable to descend in the dusk/dark if the weather is dry and you know where the first rap anchors are in the notch with the tree (and have a headlamp) Oct 3, 2012
James Ellis
Bellingham, WA
  5.11a
[Hide Comment] Incredible route. It is possible (and highly recommended) to climb this in three pitches with a 70 meter rope. You can just barely link pitches 5 and 6 if you build your belay a bit high at the start of pitch 5 and manage your rope well to keep it as straight as possible. This makes for a huge exposed pitch of splitter climbing. Do it. Jul 14, 2014
Geoff Georges
Seattle, WA
  5.11-
[Hide Comment] Don't expect to protect the wide crack unless you bring a green or blue big bro. I have not protected it, and it is kinda scary, not 5" as stated here, more like 8".
It has come to my attention that a blue Big Bro does not work if you want to place while standing on the ledge. So as others have said a #6 works. I placed a .5 or smaller way to the left with a long runner, and had a #1 at my feet below the ledge. Aug 15, 2014
James Ellis
Bellingham, WA
  5.11a
[Hide Comment] It should also be noted that the layback is safer if you link that pitch with the one before it. Otherwise you're looking at a factor 2 if you blow the layback. Aug 18, 2014
Curt Veldhuisen
Bellingham, WA
  5.10d
[Hide Comment] Rap anchors are excellent - fresh double bolts! They're rigged for a single 70 m though. A 60 m works, but you have to do a bit (10-20 feet) of easy but very exposed down-climbing. Knot those tails or watch them closely! Jun 1, 2015
[Hide Comment] One of my favorite routes!
  • I've heard you can link pitch 2 & 3.
  • I'd recommend linking the 11a and 10b pitches.
  • On the last pitch, don't go to the chains out right after the slab traverse, stay in the crack and you can reach the final anchors.

Instead of rappelling the Chockstone Route, you can rap down Labor Pains.
  • The first rappel shares the same anchor as the chockstone descent, but instead rappel down the face to some chains.
  • A 60m will get you down but a couple are rope stretchers!
  • TIE KNOTS IN THE END OF YOUR ROPE!
Jun 7, 2016
Matthew Bernstein
Yosemite, CA
  5.10d
[Hide Comment] Awesome route! Sweet rock higher up with a fun and short crux. The last few pitches are all super fun. The face rap route as mentioned in the previous comment by Derek is sweet (TIE KNOTS IN YOUR ROPE ENDS). Jun 23, 2016
Nick Drake
Kent, WA
  5.11-
[Hide Comment] You can link P2 and P3 easily, it does make the layback feel better knowing you've got a lot of rope out. Also nice to have more rope in the system for the 9 traverse if you choose to just run it after clipping the bolt.

On the crux pitch I found micro nuts easier to find placements for than cams, because there is a perfect nut placement every 6" it seems. Harder to find sections parallel enough to make me happy with micro cam placements (sure of equal lobes). Plan on small cams if you want to plug and go, I only used from 000 C3 up to a blue alien in the lower crux and upper 5.10 section. Really nice stance above the 5.10 bit with a good view of your follower, much nicer to split up this way. Jul 5, 2016
N Aksamit
Victoria, BC
5.10d
[Hide Comment] Pitches are pretty short if you do it as 5. The crux section is really short as well. If I were to go back I would try to connect 2 and 3 (be mindful of rope drag after the undercling as you'll be going back left eventually). If I had the smaller gear, I'd do the crux finger crack and up the adjacent (.10) crack system and build a belay when it gets wider and mellower, otherwise the crux pitch is super short. I pulled the #6 out of the backpack for the layback pitch only and it was the perfect size. Aug 25, 2016
Charles Rackson
Boulder, CO
  5.10c
[Hide Comment] A very tipped-out #5 C4 fits right off the belay to protect two or three 5.8-5.9 layback moves to jugs, but if it shifts at all, it easily becomes useless (it shifted when I climbed past it). A #6 would be perfect. Without a #6, I would either link pitches or hang the belayer a ways below the anchor to avoid a factor-2 fall.

One other gear note: a large nut would have been nice for the anchor at the top of the crux pitch (right under the dead tree). Aug 17, 2017
Brennan Enright
Seattle, WA
 
[Hide Comment] I wouldn't worry too much about the off-width/lieback section. It's super short and if you climb it as an off width it's pretty secure Jul 7, 2018
npaolini
Vancouver, BC
  5.11-
[Hide Comment] Awesome route with some great splitter crack and cool moves. We climbed it in 3 pitches with a 60m and a microtraxion but a 70m certainly would have been nicer for linking. Linking through the layback definitely felt safer than stopping to belay, unless you bring a 6 I guess. I would have been psyched to have brought a third green alien or doubles of small/med nuts for the crux but that is with gear spaced pretty closely in that section. Rappelling the face was good, just reaching a couple of the anchors with the 60m. Aug 7, 2018
Ryder Stroud
Seattle, WA
[Hide Comment] A great route. This route the right amount of hard climbing to make the day feel full-value but not too much that you redline and get overworked by route's end. Felt chill for .11- (I think it is .10d in the new Herrington guidebook). The crux is short and the remaining finger crack sections feature dreamy, perfect constriction pods for your fingers. If the grade is at your limit, don't get scared off and do this route! Protection through the crux is straightforward. It's a great place to go to "finger lock school." It was my partner's intro to this kind of climbing, and he had a great time! The first 3 pitches are fun, moderate adventure climbing. The 5.9 P3 has some good, thoughtful climbing in a nice, more exposed position.

Other notes:

- Like Keenan says above, a 70m rope will take you to the top from the .10b pitch above the crux. If you top out just right, you will find an awesome bolted anchor just beneath the summit! Just make sure you bring plenty of long runners. We had 10 alpine slings plus 2 double-length slings.
- The crux pitch and the .10 finger crack above are totally linkable. But split it up if you want good photos of your second pulling the crux.
- The short wide section on P3 can be disposed of quickly within a few moves. A little committing, but it is over soon. Didn't seem worth bringing a big cam (which would likely be a #6 and would have no other home throughout the route).
- There seems to be 2 descent routes off NEWS. The one in the Nicolson guidebook seems closer to the summit and deposits you closer to the top of the gully between NEWS and SEWS. We didn't take this route ourselves but noticed a lot of rap tat above us as we rapped down the other route). The other rap route is marked by a really well-bolted, new rappel station where West Face reaches the summit ridge of NEWS. This route was very straightforward all the way into the notch. Perhaps I am misinterpreting the topo, but that's what it looked like from what we saw coming down from the route. Sep 25, 2018
[Hide Comment] Some recommendations on linking pitches with a 60m and 70m rope as well as a description of the new rappel route down the west face:

northshorealpinism.wordpres… Sep 27, 2018
Bob Johnson
Philadelphia, PA
 
[Hide Comment] There is a very nice rappel route adjacent to the West Face route. From the top, locate the hand crack that marks the last pitch of West Face. The rappel station is about 15-20 feet skier's left of this crack. It is a little bit exposed getting to the anchor, but it's not bad. From there, four very clean rappels down the face brings you to a gravelly ledge. There is a cairn skier's left on this ledge with a little dirt path that leads around a corner. There is a final rappel station around this corner that avoids a very sketchy, sandy downclimb. Aug 11, 2020
Hangdog Hank
Leavenworth, WA
 
[Hide Comment] This climb is awesome, it seemed reminiscent of a shorter, harder but better version of Outer Space in Leavenworth. I was glad to have the #6 for the offwidth/flake at the start of P4 seemed like it would be kinda sketchy without it. The headwall crack is awesome and its cool how an uninterrupted crack system goes all the way from 11- tips to 5.0 hands. I also thought the crux climbed less like a finger crack and more like a techy face climb, I was glad to have 3x .2s for this pitch (they were the only cams I placed on it). The 2nd rappel down the gully came up about 5 ft short with my 60m rope, we were able to do some down climbing shenanigans pretty easily though so I would still recommend this rappel with a 60. Aug 18, 2020
sean w
Seattle, WA
 
[Hide Comment] The thin crux pitch is short and sweet, black totems and small nuts sewed it up. Crux for me was feeling secure enough on the tips locks + smeary feat to take a hand out to place gear.

I actually found the 5.10 pitch immediately after the crux (or the rest of the crux pitch if you're linking) to be the most fun on the whole route.

Definitely take the "newer" descent that is climber's right of the line (you can see one of the stations as you near the summit). It's way better than the descent near the chockstone route, and will deposit you closer to your belongings at the base of the route. Jun 21, 2021
David Blaszka
Seattle
 
[Hide Comment] Pretty awesome route! I think you could leave the #5 at home (it's protection for very easy climbing), and if not, bring a #6. The thin crack is pretty much tips with fingers every 6 feet or so. I used two #3 ball nuts and they were awesome for this route! .1s and .2s were pretty useful at the start as well. Nuts go a long way. Aug 30, 2021
Daniel Heins
Seattle
[Hide Comment] The rap Bob described is nice and straightforward, though you can rap from obvious chains in a comfortable alcove in the summit area (you see them when doing the last bit of the pitch to top out), which would be 6x total. I used a 70m and that made the raps very comfortable, a full 60 with knots might work as long as you scramble down (skiers left) all of the sandy slope to the last rap, but I can't speak to that for sure.

Route itself is great. I didn't notice the bolts on the topos after the crux crack or exiting right to the last easy crack, but it felt fine without them (and I might've just not seen them - I wasn't looking hard). If you continue up the crack after the crux crack (listed here as 10c easing to 8) past the easy slab transition, you can climb a fair bit further until the crack fades, and apparently do some spicy slab moves to get to the rap anchors (the first ones in Bob's description). Unclear what grade, I looked at that and decided I didn't want to do it and down-climbed back to the actual route. If you use a 70m, you can get from the crux pitch to the 2nd class top out area and build an anchor, but it won't all the way to the top rap chains. Sep 5, 2022
Andy Rosen
Denver, CO
[Hide Comment] Crux of this whole thing was dealing with the mosquitoes. Absolutely brutal at the trailhead, and they didn't really lay off until we were at the base of the crux pitch.

If you're going to climb the 11-, or even aid through it, you're probably strong enough to leave the 6 at home and make a few dicey but easy layback moves.

Doing the final pitch from the base of the finger crack all the way to the rap chains (climber's right at the top) was incredible. I used every nut I brought from the red DMM walnut all the way down to the purple. The only problem I had with this was running out of runners to clip them! What a great pitch. Jul 15, 2023
Elise Kennedy
Portland, OR
  5.10d
[Hide Comment] This route is lovely. A great climb that allows one an introduction into 5.10+/5.11- alpine without overstepping oneself.

Gear:
Double BD from .1 - 3, a single 5 (no 4).
16 slings, used them all

Beta:
We ran together pitches 2/3 and 4/5 with a 70 meter rope and made quick work of the route.

Pitch 1 : easy with mediocre rock that becomes more enjoyable in chimney, with easy enough small gear. Climb past first ledge to belay on 2nd ledge, as shown in topo.

Pitch 2/3 combined
Climb the wonderful finger crack in front of you on the second ledge (the northwest corner 5.9+ route is further left). After moving up a while, Stand on slung horn and just keep moving up and right to put the pitches together and reach the powerful flake.
For pitch 3 - The 5 is ok far back in the crack and midway in the flake; probably more of a mental piece as lots of folks have commented on. It’s powerful, but not hard and you can get a good #3 in right before the flake.
The belay ends right before the finger crack and it’s a quasi hanging belay. Takes really good gear, but a little more exposed than other belays on the route.

Pitch 3/4
Finger crack feels more like 10+. Gear is quite good, taking bd .2-.4 and even get Metolius 00 or BD .1 quite well. In between this and the nice 10- crack the gear is…creative.
The 10- is amazing and the lay back traverse with a bolt doesn’t require much more gear than you’ve already got with the bolt. Airy but easy to get your hands and fingers in the underclung traverse and, if needed, gear.
The end is run out but 5.7/8 and there are now new rap chains so you can end the pitch up and right at the bolt anchors. Crack peters in and out at the end.
If there are folks coming down the rap route at the same time, then run it out a bit more and belay at top of a crack left of rap anchors.

Descent
The beta for descent in the Harrington book is now no longer the thing to follow with the new rappel bolts/chains.
Rappel is now down the face, climbers right of the route, not down the gully. Jul 18, 2023
Jordan Rogers
Bellevue, WA
 
[Hide Comment] Linking 2+3 and 5+6 made for amazing long pitches! Doing so with a double rack from .1-3 plus a 4 allowed for plenty of options, no crazy runouts, and options for the two gear belays. The 5 took a lot of fiddling to find a placement that wasn't completely useless. Next time I'll leave that at home; there is a fantastic .2/black totem placement just below the ledge (higher than the #3 mentioned in the comment above).

If you link 5+6 all the way to the summit, verbal communication with your partner is nearly impossible and the rope drag running over the slab is horrendous, so have a solid plan or consider stopping at the rappel station just after the traverse. Next time I'd consider doing 4+5+6 as one pitch, stopping at the rappel anchor you pass on route and have the follower swing to the summit anchor. Jul 8, 2024
Andrew Leader
Bellevue, WA
 
[Hide Comment] New bolted rappel requires 70m rope (or with a 60 by extending just one of the rappels). See far below for more info. Also, notes on the final pitch belay and linking options are below.

P1-2 is about 55m (fine with 60m rope). P1 climbs the face then chimney and then P2 goes up the easy forested blocky terrain to the base of P3). Belay at the big tree on the huge flat dirt ledge at the base of P3.

P3 is only like 18m, literally just climbs the corner to the ledge above the corner before continuing up the wide stuff. There used to be slings around the flake at this ledge that Supertopo mentions, but there were no slings as of 7/13/2024.

Most link P3-4, which is about 50m linked (again fine with a 60m rope). You won't be able to see each other if linking these.

P4 (about ~30m) climbs some initial face crack, then has the crux lieback "flake" which takes the #6 people reference, or some people fit a tipped out #5. I placed a nut at the base of it and then just liebacked up it, using my right foot with a toe-heel in the wide crack. It gets progressively easier as you get higher and is only about 7' of climbing till you can get in some gear above it. Then, there's another "flake" that's much more loose looking, but it's substantially easier. You can actually bear hug it! You can sling the top of it with a double runner too. From the top of that flake, you reach to the right and clip a bolt before starting the 5.9+ undercling rightwards traverse. The traverse always has better hands than it seems, and there's also another piton on it midway through. Then follow it up a few more feet to the base of the 5.11a finger crack, and build a semi-hanging gear belay (takes #1-2, also probably 0.75 and smaller, lots of options).

P5 is literally only about 12m, up the 5.11a finger crack that takes small nuts, 0.2's, 0.1's, 0.3, maybe 0.4 or 0.5 before it traverses left on the face to the next crack system. The traverse left is actually easier than expected. There's some face mono/two finger pocket holes! Build a slightly-less hanging gear belay.

P6 is about 65m if climbed to the very top bolted anchor (a 60m doesn't reach, a 70m would reach). P6 starts above the 5.11a finger crack, and starts on some 10c finger crack that is noticeably easier and protects well with nuts and some smaller cams. Gear gradually gets bigger and it gradually gets easier. The crack then starts to disappear beneath a surprisingly cruxy rightwards slab traverse with a bolt on the face (the bolt protects it really well for the leader though, basically on top rope). After stepping sharp right, it continues up some more easy cracks (look right and you might notice the rappel anchor on the face) up to a 3rd class ledge, and then ~20m up that 3rd class ledge is the bolted anchor at the top of the wall.

P6 belay options are numerous...
- With a 70m rope, just send it to the very top and belay at the bolted anchor.
- With a 60m rope, I think the best would be to belay just before the slab traverse near the top (this would be a gear belay in the crack probably 15' below the bolt that's up on the slab face). Then climb a final P7 to the top.
- With a 60m rope, you can also build a mediocre belay midway up the 3rd class ledge about 15m from the very top bolted anchor using some cracks near the ground (this is what I did, next time I'd try the belay beneath the slab). I placed a 0.4 and 0.3, but I think a 075 or 0.5 might have worked better if I had one. Note that another group we saw were unable to find any anchor options here and actually downclimbed to some of the crack system before the 3rd class ledge and built a hanging belay...

P5-6 linking options
- With a 70m, you can NOT climb from base of P5 (5.11a finger crack) to the very top bolted anchor.
- With a 70m or possibly even 60m, you could climb P5 5.11a finger crack and climb the 5.10c finger crack and then belay beneath the slab traverse.
- With a 70m, you can continue past the slab traverse and belay on the 3rd class ledge using the limited crack option on the floor described in the P6 belay options above.

RAPPEL (new bolted rappel)
A single 60m rope does NOT make one of the rappels. Either be prepared to extend that rappel (and rappel a single strand with the other side blocked and extended), or bring a 70m (or probably a 65m rope would be perfect).

From the very top, it’s 6 bolted rappels with one little 20m walk in the middle, and it drops you off one minute away from the base of the route and your gear! All rappels, aside from the very top rappel across the 3rd class slab ledge, go straight down.

- R1: ~22m, From the top of the 3rd class slabs, rappel from the bolted anchor back toward the West Face route, toward the climbers right side of the slabby ledge to find a bolted anchor just past the lip of the slab.
- R2: 31m, rappel straight down (with a 60m rope, anchor will be at your waist, but it’s clippable).
- R3: 32m, straight down (with a 60m rope, you'll need to block and extend one strand with about 5m of cord. We used one alpine anchor cordellete still as a loop, and two double runners).
- R4: 28m, straight down
- R5: 28m, straight down to big dirt ledge
- W1 walk ~20m to the end of the ledge, by skiers left find the next bolted anchor (skiers left of a tree that might be slung).
- R6: 28m to ground. Drops you off one minute away from the base of the route, no need to bring shoes, just walk back to your bag! Jul 14, 2024
Micah Hoover
Seattle, WA
 
[Hide Comment] Some comments on Andrews's information below
- 70m will reach from the belay below the finger crack to the anchor. It's *tight* and requires good rope management, but it reaches
- 60m will reach from the "P6" start if you move up the crack a bit after making the traverse from the tips crux
- 60m works fine for the raps, no extension needed. There are 2 that are rope stretchers but tie knots and we had zero problems or downclimbing shenanigans

For the last rap, looks like someone recently cut all the tat off the tree and we didn't have any to leave. Anyone who wants to be a hero and donate some cord and rings for the last rap will have my thanks! Sep 4, 2024
Mitchell McAuslan
Spokane, WA
  5.11-
[Hide Comment] One of the best climbs in the Liberty bell group. There is a little bit of everything to be had in this climb. The tips crack crux is hard but protects very well and will take as many 0.0"-0.2" as you wanna give it. I honestly thought the 5.9 third pitch felt the most heady/airy and had some more difficult spots to protect and had some fairly physical liebacking. For the flake on pitch 3 either bring a #6 or don't bring any large gear at all, as a #5 is completely pointless and can not be placed adequately/safely, its just dead weight. The bolts on pitch three are not very good, one is loose and the other is quite old and rusty. If you use a 60m rope to rap down the rap stations on the west face it will just barely make it down. Two of the times the knots were at my ATC when I reached the next rap station. Sep 14, 2024
[Hide Comment] We didn't find any horn to sling at the base of pitch 4 and what was there looked sub par for an anchor. If you peak around the corner climber's left from the ledge there's a nice crack which takes a 0.4 and any two nuts higher above. You can build a pretty bomb proof anchor there and it's not all that awkward to stand on the ledge with. Oct 13, 2024