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Spiders and Snakes S 5.11c/d 7a 24 VIII 25 E4 6a
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Type: Sport, 40 ft
FA: Bob Horan, 1998
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Shared By: david goldstein on Aug 3, 2006
Admins: Leo Paik, John McNamee, Frances Fierst, Monty, Monomaniac

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This overhanging jug haul is a worthwhile way of extending your day after the main areas in Dream Canyon come into the summer sun. Quite steep, the anchors overhang the start by about 12', it is unrelenting but did not seem to me to have a defined crux. You wouldn't want to blow the second clip, but it is from good holds.

The 12a rating in Rolofson's guide seemed quite soft, even by the standards of DC; at Wild Iris this would probably be 5.10.


Follow the chalk -- as of this writing, S&S is the only route on The Spider's Den.


Six bolts.


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Aeon Aki

Aeon Aki    
6 bolts + 2 anchors. Granted all of the moves on this thing may be 5.10 individually, this thing adds up to an extremely pumpy route when you link them all up. Get on it! Sep 3, 2007
Brent Apgar
Out of the Loop
Brent Apgar   Out of the Loop
A very fun route and certainly very different compared to the vertical, technical climbing typical of Upper Dream. Sep 27, 2008
brain damage  
This is a great climb, just super pumpy. The holds are bomber, it's a long, sustained, overhung wall. May 30, 2010
Bob Rotert
Bob Rotert  
Love the pump this route gives. Probably several ways to climb this. You can get a bit of a rest in the groove off left at the second bolt. It may be easier and tempting to sneak off right for a rest higher on a ledge that comes in from the right 2/3rds of the way up. Stay on track for the full value. Pumpy and fun! Seemed like solid to upper 11 range was about right for the way we did it. Could be harder if you stay right of the first few bolts and don't move left and up the groove. May 7, 2014
J. Albers
J. Albers   Colorado
Doesn't look like much from the ground, but this is quite a nice climb. Bob is right that if you stay out of the corner to the left, then the grade is quite a bit harder (12a or b maybe?), but it is also contrived if you do it that way. 11+ of some kind seems about right using the most logical sequence, and no way would this be 5.10 at the Iris, because this is certainly harder than Tribal War, Cowboy Poetry, or Lonely Are the Brave, which are all classic 11b's at the Iris. Aug 29, 2016
Lindsay Wescott
Boulder, CO
Lindsay Wescott   Boulder, CO
As others state in the comments, you are severely sandbagging this route by claiming it would be 5.10 at Wild Iris, and misleading climbers. Please change your description to accurately reflect the difficulty of the route. Sep 5, 2018
david goldstein
david goldstein  
Maybe all the holds broke off in the 12 years since I posted this route. Even if they haven't, it would probably feel like 12 to me now. Sep 8, 2018

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