Type: Trad, 2 pitches
FA: FFA Alan Watts & Alan Lester, 1981
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Shared By: Vernon Stiefel on Apr 16, 2006
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Technical stemming up an ominous dihedral combined with a few powerful moves over bulging sections is encountered on this classic test piece. Although the crux (11+) is at a steep bulge about 10' above a 1/4" bolt and 80' off the deck, difficult moves occur right off the ground and continue to the anchors at the top of Pitch #1.


This obvious line in the dihedrals is just right of To Bolt Or Not To Be and left of Powder in the Eyes.


Multiple stoppers, RP's, HB offsets, and small cams (I didn't use anything larger than an orange TCU). There are also two old bolts (1/4" and 5/16") and a piton that will probably still arrest a fall. Anchors are at the top of Pitch #1.


Washougal, WA
jrb   Washougal, WA
I've led this route a few times, and have to say that it is NOT PG-13 line. The gear isn't the best at the start, but it is there. For the most part it's small nuts, with some small cams (I want to say blue to orange TCUs). Bring at least 10 draws. I find the crux above the first bolt, but you can get a GREAT stopper above the bolt so you are not whipping on the bolt. Apr 25, 2006
Luke Stefurak
Seattle, WA
Luke Stefurak   Seattle, WA
Both bolts are bomber and 3/8". It seems the 1st bolt got moved up about a foot and you have to do some pretty hard moves before getting it clipped (unless you pre hang a draw or sling). Jun 29, 2009
Lizzy Trower
Stanford, CA
Lizzy Trower   Stanford, CA
I absolutely recommend this route for any other ladies out there with small fingers who are comfortable with small gear. This was a great technical route! Also didn't find it to be PG13 or R. Just bring the small cams (aliens, C3s were good) and the RPs. Aug 6, 2009
Max Tepfer
Bend, OR
Max Tepfer   Bend, OR
+1 for not PG13. Additionally, as of a month ago, the hanger on the first bolt was loose. I got it back to finger tight, but a wrench would be a better option. Nov 8, 2009
Amy Ohran
Tuckee, Ca
Amy Ohran   Tuckee, Ca
I love stem routes with small gear, but have to admit this put me at my mental limit. It's safe, but saucy. Mar 22, 2012
Jon Rhoderick
Redmond, OR
5.12a PG13
Jon Rhoderick   Redmond, OR
5.12a PG13
I'll go with PG-13. The gear is pretty frequent, the bolts and pin are great, but don't expect to just plug and chug. I ripped 4 pieces up high, they never even slowed me down! May 20, 2014
Mike Rowley
Boise, Idaho
Mike Rowley   Boise, Idaho
As intimidating as the line is, I would not say pg-13 or R. As others have said, gear isn't the best down low but its there. Once you get above the start the entire climb eats small offset nuts. I only placed 3-4 cams the whole route but was able to place nuts anywhere I wanted to. I wasn't concerned about any of the nuts pulling. Its all there, with bomber gear! Get on it! May 27, 2014